> Hello Alan,
>
> > what is <tsb> anyway?? (apart from an old UK bank ;-) )
>
> A code from the Thor e-mail client, now also adopted by YAM.
> It stands for thick seperator bar, and draws a thick line
> across the page, to seperate one section from the next.
> There's also a sb tag, which draws a thin line.

Oooch ;)

> Nice, neat, moderately simple and effective, but non-standard.
> Now, if a mailer would convert a whole line of --- or === symbols
> into an unbroken line across the page, the same thing could be
> done without code, but as people will point out, how many should
> be used?  More than 10, 20, exactly 72?

I would say 2, but then -- would be mistaken for a signature and
potentially stripped from a reply, and if (tits==boobs) in C
code would be misinterpreted. 3, maybe? --- and === look
quite nice. It would have to be implemented in a mailer as being
a minimum of 3 characters, I think, and draw the lines from there
taking into account the rest of the characters (and stripping
extra chars on reply to keep bandwidth down like a clever mailer ;)

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Hi Alex,

> Do OS3.5 CD have different version for A500/A2000 and A1200/A3000/A4000??

No it doesn't, but it does require 68020 and 4MB fast RAM now, but you've
got those (and then some).

> My Kickstart version only V40.63 and according to my OS3.5 manual that I
> need version of Kickstart V40.68. please help!!

Don't worry about that, v40.63 was the ROM for 16-bit ROM machines like the
500 and 2000.

> The problem is when I clicked the Install 3.5 and a red&yellow screen
> pop-up, a little window said WORKING ON INSTALLATION and then seem
> freezed!! My A2000 config is listed below!!

Have you checked to see if there's anything going on back on the Workbench
screen?

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> > I'm thinking of formating some of my partitions using this, and I
was
> > wondering if anyone on AFB had any horror stories to tell me about.
> > Either that or I'll get PFS3 for Xmas...
>
> Well i suggest you look at the review in AF 131,.. however.
>
> Any filesystem is better than FFS, PFS/MUFS/SFS, they are all more
> secure (data integrity), and offer incresed performance and space
> efficency.

Anything to get rid of invalidation!

> In //my// opiion SFS is better because,..
> 1) You CAN recover data from damaged partitions, PFS just wont.
> 2) An Online Defragmenter is available now.
> 3) MUFS lib support will happen,.. "any time soon now", wheras PFS, is
> dont.

PFS3 can, because it comes with recovery software.

> It is worth noteing that SFS is still developmental (although very
> stable), and you should not replace ALL your partitions with it.

Thats why I said some; after all, SFS is shareware (isn't it?)

> I think the best way to use it is to create a new partition and
assign web
> cache, temp files, PPaint / ImageStudio VM files, YAM temps and other
stuff > to it.

Why? Because of the increased speed?

Paul
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i am starting wipeout in a 320x240x16bit screen mode to conserve even more =
memory but it is still complaining about the gfx memory.

i have 50 mb fastram 48meg available after workbench has loaded
8 meg bvision graphics card

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anybody else had this problem and managed to solve it?


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Hi Matt

On 16-Nov-99, you wrote:

> I'm afraid that even though the code
> does not contain any 68k 'startup
> code' the 68k still has to loadseg
> it to start with.

Surely not if its an ELF?

ppc.library patches LoadSeg() or System() or something, I assume.


Cheers,
Rich

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"> http://www.amiga-news.de/archiv/131199messe1.html  has show info/pics

Ben - you could at least have doctored your "E-groups" shirt to say
"AFB on E-groups".  :)

Better coverage that way.

Looks like it was a nice set-up (with internet cafe this time, unlike
WOA).

Wish I could`ve gone.

Bifford the Youngest.

Hi sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com,

> Looks like it was a nice set-up (with internet cafe this time, unlike
> WOA).

It actually had a whole Intranet throughout the show and external
connections for browsing and IRC, etc.

> Wish I could`ve gone.

Unfortunately you'll almost certainly not get the chance again, as this w=
as
quite probably the last ever K=F6ln messe. However, there'll probably be =
a
new show, not quite as large, near Bonn near year...

All the best,
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> I got wipeout today but it wont run it says i do not have enough free
memory i am running workbench in a 640x480x16bit screen mode to save
memory
> i am starting wipeout in a 320x240x16bit screen mode to conserve even
more memory but it is still complaining about the gfx memory.
>
> i have 50 mb fastram 48meg available after workbench has loaded
> 8 meg bvision graphics card
>
> i do not have any backdrops or any applications running which could
be pincing the memory.
>
> anybody else had this problem and managed to solve it?
>
I have this exact same problem with both Napalm and TZer0 The only
solution is for me to boot without DOpus, then change the screen mode
to low res and 2 colours and select USE.  that way it will revert to
normal on reboot.

Dont ya just love that!  Not haveing to redo the screenmode next time
you boot to get it back to how you like it.  Cool.  PCs and MACs cant
do that!

Bifford the Youngest.

> > Looks like it was a nice set-up (with internet cafe this time,
unlike
> > WOA).
>
> It actually had a whole Intranet throughout the show and external
> connections for browsing and IRC, etc.
>
> > Wish I could`ve gone.
>
> Unfortunately you'll almost certainly not get the chance again, as
this was
> quite probably the last ever K=F6ln messe. However, there'll probably
be a
> new show, not quite as large, near Bonn near year...

No comment on the shirt thing, then?

Bifford the youngest.

Hi sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com,

> No comment on the shirt thing, then?

Not really. The shirt was sent to me by eGroups for all the suggestions I'd
sent them, so I didn't make it myself, and wouldn't really want to spoil
its look...

All the best,
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"> > No comment on the shirt thing, then?
>
> Not really. The shirt was sent to me by eGroups for all the
suggestions I'd
> sent them, so I didn't make it myself, and wouldn't really want to
spoil
> its look...

But you have to advertise AFB all ya can get........

BtY

Hi,
    I've just noticed after installing OS 3.5 yesterday that there isn't any
modern Epson drivers, just the old ones does anybody knows where to get them
I want to run my Epson Color Stylus 300 ...

Regards,

Rick
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> > I'm afraid that even though the code
> > does not contain any 68k 'startup
> > code' the 68k still has to loadseg
> > it to start with.
>
> Surely not if its an ELF?
>
> ppc.library patches LoadSeg() or System() or something, I assume.

Yeah.. I 'spose.

But that means that through the emulator, and through normal
systems too, the PPC is invoked simply to startup a 68k task,
on the off chance that it might be a PPC one.. when it most
definitely won't be half the time..

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> Hi,
>     I've just noticed after installing OS 3.5 yesterday that
> there isn't any modern Epson drivers, just the old ones does
> anybody knows where to get them I want to run my Epson Color
> Stylus 300 ...

http://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/aminetbin/find?epson

They'll work but they're  not 3.5-style ones.

You could shout for them in the update..? :)

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Does anyone have any information on Kato Developments. I saw the pictures of
the ZII Ethernet 100 card at amiga-news.de, and wondered who distributes,
etc in the UK?

l8r
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Hi Tudor,

> Does anyone have any information on Kato Developments. I saw the pictures
> of the ZII Ethernet 100 card at amiga-news.de, and wondered who
> distributes, etc in the UK?

Ooh me! Me! I saw 'em. Power are going to carry the board in the UK, and it
shouldn't cost too much. It also has two clock ports on it so you can have
cheap high-speed serial and their soundcard too.

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Hi Ben

> > Does anyone have any information on Kato Developments. I saw the pictures
> > of the ZII Ethernet 100 card at amiga-news.de, and wondered who
> > distributes, etc in the UK?
> Ooh me! Me! I saw 'em. Power are going to carry the board in the UK, and it
> shouldn't cost too much. It also has two clock ports on it so you can have
> cheap high-speed serial and their soundcard too.

Eeeek!

At last I can stop searching for a Concierto for my PIV and get something
better..

Is that the Melody soundcard? and does it do MPEG decoding?
/me rushes off to power's site to check up on melody info

Hmmmm. Browsing with my A4K over my 100mb switched ethernet network using my
128K ISDN router connection - hmmmm - should make Nutscrape on my Mac seem
even slower and IE on the PC dearthlike :)

l8r

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On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
> http://www.javasoft.cz/amiga/computer99.html   has the other stuff!

  Of course you meant to say:
	 http://www.javosoft.cz/amiga/computer99.html


;)


bye,
  Chris

On Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 02:35:20PM +0100, Ben Vost wrote:

>
> Ooh me! Me! I saw 'em. Power are going to carry the board in the UK, and it
> shouldn't cost too much. It also has two clock ports on it so you can have
> cheap high-speed serial and their soundcard too.
>

After my last post - with my excitement - I saw this piccy:

http://www.javosoft.cz/amiga/k/41.jpg

Hmmmm, a PCMCIA adapter card and a 10/100 Enet card plugged into it -
ingenious design - good idea to allow clock ports for further expansion, but
I am wondering how well this will work!!!

When are you going to review it?

l8r

PS Typical me - Ben, please review a product that hasn't been released yet -
duh! Oh, yeah - and the Boxer, double duh!

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hi,

> > ..and do you use a HD cache util? if not, then do so
>
> Like what? DynamiCache just crashes.

hypercache is what i use

> I moved Thor to an SFS partiton, and now all is well... much faster, too

have yo thought about PFS3 ?

> > why ot try YAM for AFB? Its free and its brilliant!
>
> LOL, if I wanted to use a buggy, memory guzzling, slow emailer I would, but
> I seriously doubt Yam and any filesystem on earth would cope with my
> workload very well :D

well, you can throw those allegations at YAM...but i have yet to have
any problem with it.

> Besides, AFB is not important to me, I'd sooner unsubscribe than do much to
> be able to read it...

nice attitude  :-|

alan

  Does anyone know of anywhere that sells 80 mhz oscillators for the
apollo 1240 boards
  Eyetech and power could supply one for =A320 +p&p but ive seen the
same crystals at 66Mhz for only =A32=2E99 from maplin etc
  Any ideas - thanks

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Hi Neil,

>  Does anyone know of anywhere that sells 80 mhz oscillators for the
> apollo 1240 boards
>  Eyetech and power could supply one for =A320 +p&p but ive seen the
> same crystals at 66Mhz for only =A32.99 from maplin etc

The reason you can find the 66MHz crystals that cheap is because lots get=

made. Not many people require 80MHz models so they're more expensive.

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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Chris Andrews wrote:

> their mail, then go offline.  The first they know about the poll is when
> they already clicked offline and are halfway down their mails.  ...and
> seeing that only about 10% of the list members ever post messages or
> replys then I doubt that they'll save it for when reconnecting (the next
> day).

eh? Wheres the problem? If they read an email and see theres a new
poll, they just visit the site the next time they are online.. i havent
seen any polls which time out within a few days.

alan

> eh? Wheres the problem? If they read an email and see theres a new
> poll, they just visit the site the next time they are
> online.. i havent seen any polls which time out within a few days.

But it would be easier to have a vote-by-mail system whereby
they can answer their mails, vote for polls, have them queued
and then send them all in one go, rather than hoping eGroups is
up and wasting money,

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Hi Alan,

> eh? Wheres the problem? If they read an email and see theres a new
> poll, they just visit the site the next time they are online.. i havent
> seen any polls which time out within a few days.

Exactly, that's why they have the date on them, so they can be ended after a
month. I very much doubt that there's anyone who can't manage to visit the
poll page once a month...

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On 16 Nov 1999, Carl Berry wrote:

> At the moment the service is only available for people using IE4+ and
> Win95, 98 or NT4.  No Mac/Unix/OS2/Amiga/ Oric Atmos or anything else.
>
> They state that they use 168 bit triple DES encryption and that their
> PC banking system uses Active X for security purposes and that
> currently no other browser/OS provides for the security they need
> (which I find kind of hard to believe in at least the Unix case).  Now
> before I send them an e-mail voicing my general disapproval  and empty
> threats to take my overdraft elsewhere ;-)  do they have any real
> grounds for this ?  I know Active X is Windows only but surely the DES
> stuff is freely available for implementation ?  I'm a little out of my
> depth with security issues so anyone a little bit more up to date.

ActiveX has so many security holes under Win9x that I wouldnt entrust it
at all!

As for the DES enryption, yes, that could be done under any platform and
the client would run on any platform that had enough memory, speed and
TCPIP stack.

I think their REAL reasons are that they could only afford to get their
online banking system worked on by a small dev team who only know Win32
API's and couldnt pay for any multiplatform support.

If you were able to, and you could get a better deal elsewhere, move
bank - or tell them that you plan to unless they sort this out. After
all, its people who pay the banks money in charges (such as you with
overdraft) that they want...banks dont want people with lots of money
who get interest paid TO them  8-)

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Jonathan M. Dudley wrote:

> I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that 3.5 isn't as 060-friendly as it
> claims to be. Either that, or the GVP setup is peculiar. Whatever, 3.5 hates

rubbish. i have an 060 and it works fine ;-)

> this board, or its library - it starts to boot, then the power light briefly
> dims and - nothing. I wonder if I could use another 060 library, assuming I
> could get my hands on one? I need some kind of drastic work-around.

have you actually tried using the GVP's 040 AND 060 library files? (or
ask PowerComputing for latest versions?)

alan

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Most? I don't see how - LoadSeg() is still a 68k based function, and
> therefore whether programs are compiled native or not, the 68k will
> play a part in EVERY program execution until they rework Exec..

certainly...they can patch that function to be PPC instead, or wire it
into the emulator somewhere.

alan

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 riksweeney@hotmail.com wrote:

> I lost my CGX drivers the other day and am having to get them off the
> net again, can anyone tell me what the latest cgxvideo library is, I've
> got 41.21 now but I can't test it without going home. Can anyone save a
> a trip in the cold and tell me if this is right? Basically I want my
> Warp3D to work again. Cheers.

thats easy....Warp3D doesnt need cgxvideo.library so you neednt worry
about it yet :-)

alan

Hi amipal@yahoo.com,

On 16-Nov-99 you dislocated your fingers typing: [afb] SFS

> I'm thinking of formating some of my partitions using this, and I
> was wondering if anyone on AFB had any horror stories to tell me
> about. Either that or I'll get PFS3 for Xmas...

Not really a horror story, but I installed it onto one of my smaller
partitions to test it, but every time I tried to run YAM from that
partition my system crashed. :/

The version I tried probably had problems handling some types of DOS
packets, so I quickly canned it. :)

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> The Blizzard/Cyberstorm G4 will be it's own little computer sitting in
> our Amigas running QNX's Neutrino, using the Amiga just for it's I/O
> etc, right?
> 
> While the AmiJOE G3 will be more like a current accelerator ie. install
> the software, bung in the card, *ta da*! A working Amiga, running
> AmigaOS through an emulator on a ROM, giving approximatley 040/33 (or
> whatever) speeds. It is now part of the Amiga system just like (well,
> not *exactly* like) a Blizzard1230 would be.

The P5 boards will be supported by WarpOS like the AmiJoe G3 will be.  If
you the recent transcripts by H&P, they state that they are offering
WarpOs to everyone.  I believe the QNX is just another option you can
have, as well as a WarpOs solution.

m*ke.......................................

Right. This is the bit where I praise the Amiga for having
ReadArgs() and curse it for being so easy that I've forgotten
how to use the standard C command line thing ;)

Basically, I have this:

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <string.h>

int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
	while (--argc > 0)
	{
		printf("%d: %s, %d\n", argc, argv[n], strlen(argv[n]));
	}

	return(0);
}

It crashes, printing 

1: (null),

what the HELL am I doing wrong here? I've completely lost the plot
with ANSI C (I have Kernighan and Ritchie here but I STILL can't
see what I'm doing wrong).

Damn thee Amiga for being so easy to use and having such nice
external APIs!

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> >Hi all,
> 
> >In case no one has noticed, which I doubt, take a look at Transmeta's
> >web site - http://www.tranmeta.com
> 
> Wooops, make that http://www.transmeta.com
> 
> >Also take a look at the source for the secret message... ;)

He1  Very nice.  Does kinda sound like the chip we all need doesnt it! 
Not to keep on the name though.  Muck prefer Transmeta as the actual
chip name, rathere than ****** (Go find out for yaselfs!)

Bifford the Youngest.

On Wed, Nov 17, 1999 at 04:03:23AM -0800, Sam Byford wrote:

> Nope.
> 
> Nope.  Probably not.
> 
> Dito.
> 
> Dito.

Ummm Sam, was there any point to this email considering these were the only
additions you made to the post?

Not having a go - just reminding that sensible quoting/replying is required.

l8r

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tudor davies <tudo-@high5.net> wrote: 

> Hmmmm, a PCMCIA adapter card and a 10/100 Enet card plugged into it -

Oooh, a nice PCMCIA ethernet card.  I've been looking for an ethernet
card.  Any more details (in fact, any more suggestions on how I can
cheaply add an ethernet card to my A1200)?  Everything I've seen so far
looks pretty expensive.

	Thomas Cobb

> > Dito.
> > 
> > Dito.

Actully it's ditto with two 't's
 
> Ummm Sam, was there any point to this email considering these 
> were the only additions you made to the post?
> 
> Not having a go - just reminding that sensible 
> quoting/replying is required.

And all polls MUST have dates!

:)

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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> I'll argue that jumping from 4SE to 7 would have made a huge difference and
> the cost for 7 wasn't exactly astronomical, especially compared to the
> earlier, less feature-filled versions.

I went from the version that shipped with the Desktop Dynamite package
(was it the first version? I can't remember now) straight to ver7 and I
was most impressed. It does everything I need it to do and almost
everything that I'd like it to do. It would have been nice to have a
rudimentary grammar checker (full stops followed by capital letters, etc.
But I suppose that you could always write an ARexx macro to do the job.
Slowly).

I do have a question about WW7 though: Is there any way to find out what
line your cursor is currently on? And is there a way to jump to a
specified line number?

I'm sure there must be a way of doing this, but I can't seem to find it...


Mark_H

On Wed, Nov 17, 1999 at 12:15:31PM -0000, Sealey, M. wrote:

> > Not having a go - just reminding that sensible 
> > quoting/replying is required.
> And all polls MUST have dates!
> :)

And not forgetting - pay attention to and keep all emails with MANAGE at the
start of the subject line.

;)

Actually I have deleted the 2(?) manage mails received - am I in breach of
AFB rules...

l8r

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> Actually I have deleted the 2(?) manage mails received - am I 
> in breach of AFB rules...

Being archived on the web anyway, does it really matter?

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Well, the Iwin site doesnt say anything about the Amiga anymore, its
just offering loads and loads of prizes for playing games with them. 
Another hoax?

You decide.

Bifford the Youngest

Hi Tudor,

> Actually I have deleted the 2(?) manage mails received - am I in breach of
> AFB rules...

Yes you are and I've decided that banning is too good for the likes of you
lot. All breaches of afb rules will be punishable by death.

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> > Actually I have deleted the 2(?) manage mails received - am I in
breach of
> > AFB rules...
> 
> Yes you are and I've decided that banning is too good for the likes
of you
> lot. All breaches of afb rules will be punishable by death.

What mails are they then?

Never had no Manage mails in my life.

Bifford the Youngest.

On 17-Nov-99, Ben Vost (ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk) wrote:

> My clock is fine. It's set every day by our timeserver.

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:08:20 +0100

The timezone isn't though :)


Regards,

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Hi Andy,

>> My clock is fine. It's set every day by our timeserver.

> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:08:20 +0100

> The timezone isn't though :)

Bugger, you're right. We really need a standard locale interface for
timezone info on the Amiga soon...

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> On 17-Nov-99, Ben Vost (ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk) wrote:
> 
> > My clock is fine. It's set every day by our timeserver.
> 
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:08:20 +0100
> 
> The timezone isn't though :)

That's YAM - you need to uncheck that ickle box, Ben ;)

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Hi Ben

> > Actually I have deleted the 2(?) manage mails received - am I in breach of
> > AFB rules...
> Yes you are and I've decided that banning is too good for the likes of you
> lot. All breaches of afb rules will be punishable by death.

Only by death? Is that the best you can come up with? I laugh in the face of
death, and giggle in the face of fear, and.. what's that noise?

<SILENCE>

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Hey

thanks to everyone who replied to 'Which Renderer?' but now i have
another question. I would like to be able to emulate pcs and macs on my
amiga but i don't know what emulator to get. Could someone tell what
emulator would be easy to setup and be powerful. Ihave a low budget so
if there were any demos on afcds could you tell me which one. Also
where would i be able to get a copy of msdos or windows to use on the
emulator or would it come bundled with the emulator.

                       thanks
                           Peter

Hi M.,

> That's YAM - you need to uncheck that ickle box, Ben ;)

Yeah, yeah, I know...

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> Hey
>=20
> thanks to everyone who replied to 'Which Renderer?' but now i have
> another question. I would like to be able to emulate pcs and=20
> macs on my amiga but i don't know what emulator to get. Could
> someone tell what emulator would be easy to setup and be powerful.

Fusion and/or PCx. Subscribe to Amigactive and you'll get them
for free (=A350 for the sub though ;)

I think Blittersoft are doing deals on them for about the same
price, if not less.

> Also where would i be able to get a copy of msdos or windows to
> use on the emulator or would it come bundled with the emulator.

MSDOS and Windows are available from any big PC Store. Just go
in and ask if you can buy a copy of MS-DOS 6.22

Finding Windows 3.0 isn't going to be easy, but Windows 3.11
can be retrofitted into PCx quite well. There was an article in
Af about it.. Ben'll know which ;)

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University of Leicester

Hi all,

>> > Actually I have deleted the 2(?) manage mails received - am I in breach
>> > of AFB rules...
>> Yes you are and I've decided that banning is too good for the likes of
>> you lot. All breaches of afb rules will be punishable by death.

> Only by death? Is that the best you can come up with? I laugh in the face
> of death, and giggle in the face of fear, and.. what's that noise?

> <SILENCE>

And let this be a lesson to the rest of you. There will be no more postings
from a person called Tudor Davies on this list, any that appear will now be
created by a robot simulacrum of the sinner.

Be pure, be vigilant behave!
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said Tom transparently.

"sealey, m." <mws-@leicester.ac.uk> wrote: 
> > Hey
> > 
> > thanks to everyone who replied to 'Which Renderer?' but now i have
> > another question. I would like to be able to emulate pcs and 
> > macs on my amiga but i don't know what emulator to get. Could
> > someone tell what emulator would be easy to setup and be powerful.
> 
> Fusion and/or PCx. Subscribe to Amigactive and you'll get them
> for free (=A350 for the sub though ;)
> 
> I think Blittersoft are doing deals on them for about the same
> price, if not less.

What is amigactive and how can i contact who produces it to get a
subcription.

                        Yet again
                                Peter 

Hi necronlord@totalise.co.uk,

> What is amigactive and how can i contact who produces it to get a
> subcription.

AmiGactive is another Amiga magazine in the UK and you can go to their
website, which, funnily enough, is at http://www.amigactive.com

But this isn't the right place for discussions on AmiGactive so let it drop.

All the best,
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Hi Matt

On 17-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Right. This is the bit where I praise the Amiga for having
> ReadArgs() and curse it for being so easy that I've forgotten
> how to use the standard C command line thing ;)
> 
> Basically, I have this:

Should work fine if you swap variable 'n' for 'argc'. What system and target
machine and you using?

Cheers,
Rich

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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> I have been thinking (yep, that was the noise you've been hearing).
> Hear me out before you start to flame me...

no!  8-)
 
> The Blizzard/Cyberstorm G4 will be it's own little computer sitting in
> our Amigas running QNX's Neutrino, using the Amiga just for it's I/O
> etc, right?
 
> While the AmiJOE G3 will be more like a current accelerator ie. install
> the software, bung in the card, *ta da*! A working Amiga, running
> AmigaOS through an emulator on a ROM, giving approximatley 040/33 (or
> whatever) speeds. It is now part of the Amiga system just like (well,
> not *exactly* like) a Blizzard1230 would be.

yes..thats roughly the way it would be - but, hopefully, the Phase5 G4
cards will be able to work in the same way - ie we wont be forced into
using QNX
 
alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> On a G3, something like an 060 at the best of times, and like a nippy
> 040 at the worst of times.

well, we'll have to see about that - especially if they are the lowend 
G3's
 
> Don't put too much weight on the Neutrino thing. Chances
> are you'll not see it at all most of the time, unless you
> REALLY choose to.

once again, we'll see

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Thomas Cobb wrote:

> Oooh, a nice PCMCIA ethernet card.  I've been looking for an ethernet
> card.  Any more details (in fact, any more suggestions on how I can
> cheaply add an ethernet card to my A1200)?  Everything I've seen so far
> looks pretty expensive.

err, yes. PCMCIA ethernet. they've been around for years now. didnt ya
know?

you'll ahve to have the CC_RESET fix done to the Amiga for successful
usage. Eyetech do this for 30 ukp (which seems steep for a 2 minute
job!) , but i'm sure the fix is actually posted in a public place
somewhere

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 necronlord@totalise.co.uk wrote:

> Hey
> 
> thanks to everyone who replied to 'Which Renderer?' but now i have
> another question. I would like to be able to emulate pcs and macs on my
> amiga but i don't know what emulator to get. Could someone tell what
> emulator would be easy to setup and be powerful. Ihave a low budget so
> if there were any demos on afcds could you tell me which one. Also
> where would i be able to get a copy of msdos or windows to use on the
> emulator or would it come bundled with the emulator.

For Mac, Shapeshifter is free and you can get an older MacOS from Apple
on the Web for free too. you do have to have a legal ROM image though

For PC, PCx and PC-Task offer similar things...in fact, i'd like someone
to point out why I might buy PCx over PCTask or viceversa. you dont need
a ROM for these as PC's have generic BIOS's. you would need to buy
MSDOS/Windows to run it

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 necronlord@totalise.co.uk wrote:

err, your emails come out dead at my end - something about illegal
characters..then nothing

alan

> > Fusion and/or PCx. Subscribe to Amigactive and you'll get them
> > for free (=A350 for the sub though ;)

Havnt had my copies yet.  Should I wait or send them a gentle email
reminder?

Bifford the Youngest.

> Hi Matt
> 
> On 17-Nov-99, you wrote:
> 
> > Right. This is the bit where I praise the Amiga for having
> > ReadArgs() and curse it for being so easy that I've forgotten
> > how to use the standard C command line thing ;)
> > 
> > Basically, I have this:
> 
> Should work fine if you swap variable 'n' for 'argc'. What 
> system and target machine and you using?

Borland C and/or VisualC++ 6.0 for DOS and Windows respectively ;)

I fixed it now anyway. God knows how, I might have accidentally
missed a semicolon or put an extra * on argv[] by mistake..

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> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 necronlord@totalise.co.uk wrote:
> 
> err, your emails come out dead at my end - something about illegal
> characters..then nothing

Pine sucks! It's too strict!

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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Pine sucks! It's too strict!

no, other mailers are too lax..Pine is the only mail program (at
work) that can handle my volume/load ;-)

alan

hi,

in case you dint catch the news (or single line in the aminet new files
email) the new MMU.library is out. I'm only mailing this info as the
library has been mentioned in this maillist a few times over the past
month


alan

On 16 Nov 1999, Kevin Fairhurst wrote:

> Have you tried that on the rac route finder (http://www.rac.co.uk) or the
> EuroShell one (http://euroshell.shell.com)?

just tried them...and they 'work' in that they do the basic route with
not too many details...very much like GBRoute...so you dont get an
accurate map/picture out (as far as i've struggled with them anyway) the
Shell one is handy as it promotes all the shell garages on the
way..didnt realise there were so many! :-)  but both seem to prefer the
A270 -> A27 route..which in real terms is slower by 10 minutes than the
'up and along' way. So...conclusion?

GBRoute and the online ones mentioned above do route planning the 'easy
way' ie

go along A270. Get onto A27 etc etc

which means you use your driving skills and dont need a map (basic route
printed onto paper et voila.

Autoroute tries to be too clever in providing a map of the route (it
also does bare bones work, but errors also come into this if you follow
the mileage strictly!)...this means you rely on the map and not your
skills...result? For 'unfamiliar drivers' expect a lot of layby stops
and missed junctions

alan

_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Ben Vost <ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Wednesday, 17-Nov-99, 22:12:50
 About:  [afb] Re: wipeout sales target? 


Hello Ben,

>> Actually I have deleted the 2(?) manage mails received - am I in
>> breach of AFB rules...

> Yes you are and I've decided that banning is too good for the likes of
> you lot. All breaches of afb rules will be punishable by death.

Downgrading to AmigaOS 1.1 would be more cruel.

Bye,
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Hi Tim,

>> Yes you are and I've decided that banning is too good for the likes of
>> you lot. All breaches of afb rules will be punishable by death.

> Downgrading to AmigaOS 1.1 would be more cruel.

Or even 1.0, especially for PAL Amiga owners... mwhahahahaha!

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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> what the HELL am I doing wrong here? I've completely lost the plot
> with ANSI C (I have Kernighan and Ritchie here but I STILL can't
> see what I'm doing wrong).

  That should even compile!  Where are you getting the 'n' variable from?
 
> Damn thee Amiga for being so easy to use and having such nice
> external APIs!

  ...and compilers that do the startup code differently from each other 
;(


bye,
  Chris

From another plane:

>>> Yes you are and I've decided that banning is too good for the likes of
>>> you lot. All breaches of afb rules will be punishable by death.
>> Downgrading to AmigaOS 1.1 would be more cruel.
> Or even 1.0, especially for PAL Amiga owners... mwhahahahaha!

<MYSTIC MEG VOICE>
Oooooooohhhhh. And viewoooed with an A1000 genlock; for better clarity.
</MYSTIC MEG VOICE>

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> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> > what the HELL am I doing wrong here? I've completely lost the plot
> > with ANSI C (I have Kernighan and Ritchie here but I STILL can't
> > see what I'm doing wrong).
> 
>   That should even compile!  Where are you getting the 'n' 
> variable from?

I didn't post the entire set of sources, just the bit both debuggers
said was crashing. No errors, no warnings, just one HELL of a crash.

n is defined before main() along with all my other global temporary
miscellaneous-named variables ;)
  
> > Damn thee Amiga for being so easy to use and having such nice
> > external APIs!
> 
> ...and compilers that do the startup code differently from 
> each other ;(

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Hello Alan L.M. Buxey, on 17-Nov-99 14:32:58 you said about:
  [afb] Re: Ethernet Cards (was Kato Developments) 

>On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Thomas Cobb wrote:

>> Oooh, a nice PCMCIA ethernet card.  I've been looking for an ethernet
>> card.  Any more details (in fact, any more suggestions on how I can
>> cheaply add an ethernet card to my A1200)?  Everything I've seen so far
>> looks pretty expensive.

>err, yes. PCMCIA ethernet. they've been around for years now. didnt ya
>know?

>you'll ahve to have the CC_RESET fix done to the Amiga for successful
>usage. Eyetech do this for 30 ukp (which seems steep for a 2 minute
>job!) , but i'm sure the fix is actually posted in a public place
>somewhere

This does not effect /all/ A1200s, so he'll only have to have it done if
he has problems.

Or he could get the PowerLAN from Power Computing for 50, which
includes a fix for the CC_RESET problem. This soloution would be cheaper
than buying a PCMCIA ethernet card (~25) and having the mod done to his
mobo (saving him time, hassle and the carriage to send it to Eyetech.)

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Hi Matt.

On 17-Nov-99, you wrote:
 
> n is defined before main() along with all my other global temporary
> miscellaneous-named variables ;)

A variable that is global and temporary?

 
Cheers,
Rich

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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> n is defined before main() along with all my other global temporary
> miscellaneous-named variables ;)

  Well, I'm not going to preach programming techniques.  But your
temporary varibles should be really be in the scope of where they are
needed... 
   

bye,
  Chris

> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> > n is defined before main() along with all my other global temporary
> > miscellaneous-named variables ;)

Chris Andrews:
> Well, I'm not going to preach programming techniques.  But your
> temporary varibles should be really be in the scope of where they are
> needed... 

Rich Drummond:
> A variable that is global and temporary?

Argh! You people don't give up!

I use the 'n' variable throughout my code, and rather than keep
defining it, and doing silly things with curly brackets, I
just define it at the top (int n;) along with loads of other
silly temporary variables which I can trash.

It's just my style of programming. Could cause problems, but if
I need a variable to be 'stable' I give it a meaningful name..

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Did anyone mention that Picasso96 version 2.0
is out?

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Thomas Hurst said, 

> On 10-Nov-99 11:03:05, Neil Bothwick (neil@wire.net.uk) wrote:

>> The latter is the fault of the browsers. They should display the ALT
>> text when the image isn't loaded. A blind user should be OK because
>> a speaking browser ought to handle the ALT text. If there's no ALT text
>> it's the fault of the page author, and just as limiting as individual
>> images without such text.

> ALT doesn't work on image maps,

That's what I'm complaining about. ALT is supposed to work on image
maps, but none of the graphical browsers implement it correctly.

> besides which, having a bloody great big
> empty box on a web page is still irritating.

It wouldn't be empty if the links were shown with the ALT text...

>> Client side image maps are a good idea that suffers in the
>> implementation.

> Bah, I bet you're one of those who think the <img> tag was a good idea too
> <vbg>

I prefer <blink>


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Tim Seifert said, 

> Hello Neil,

>> The latter is the fault of the browsers. They should display the ALT
>> text when the image isn't loaded. A blind user should be OK because a
>> speaking browser ought to handle the ALT text. If there's no ALT text
>> it's the fault of the page author, and just as limiting as individual
>> images without such text.

> Ah, but the alt text only mentions the one image, not all the links you
> could follow from different parts of the image.  And that's only if
> they bother to do this.

Check the HTML spec, ALT is a valid, and required, attribute of the AREA
tag.

"Several non-textual elements (IMG, AREA, APPLET, and INPUT) let authors
specify alternate text to serve as content when the element cannot be
rendered normally. Specifying alternate text assists users without
graphic display terminals, users whose browsers don't support forms,
visually impaired users, those who use speech synthesizers, those who
have configured their graphical user agents not to display images, etc.

"The alt attribute must be specified for the IMG and AREA elements. It
is optional for the INPUT and APPLET elements"


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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> It's just my style of programming. Could cause problems, but if
> I need a variable to be 'stable' I give it a meaningful name..

  So you're just being lazy then.  ;)  Alough you could be causing
yourself more trouble when you...[SNIP!] (I said I wasn't going to preach,
so I'll shut up). 


bye,
  Chris

> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> > It's just my style of programming. Could cause problems, but if
> > I need a variable to be 'stable' I give it a meaningful name..
> 
> So you're just being lazy then.  ;)  Alough you could be causing
> yourself more trouble when you...[SNIP!] (I said I wasn't 
> going to preach, so I'll shut up). 

LOL :)

I know when it can cause trouble, but I only use n for counting,
storing variables while I mess with them and stuff like that. I
also have a string called 'spare' which I mess around with..

They never EVER get used for anything important.

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Hi M.,

> Did anyone mention that Picasso96 version 2.0
> is out?

Yep, it was posted to their website yesterday.

http://www.picasso96.cogito.de/

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My son has an Amiga 1200 with 6MB ram and a 63MB hard drive. He
accidently clicked on a program 3 times and moved it to one side. The
computer then crashed and when he rebooted he got 2 system requests:
"Error validating Hardrive Block 62575 used twice" and "Intuition is
attempting to reset workbench screen, please close all windows, except
drawers". He also notes that  he now has 0 Meg free on the hard drive,
whereas before he had 18 Meg, and that any attempt to save or delete
produces the message "Volume Hardrive is not validated" and his only
option is to cancel.

Can anyone explain in simple terms what he has done and how he can
correct it? 

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> I know when it can cause trouble, but I only use n for counting,
> storing variables while I mess with them and stuff like that. I
> also have a string called 'spare' which I mess around with..

  So you haven't learnt the ancient art of the function then?  ;)
 
> They never EVER get used for anything important.

  You have programs that just do stuff for a laugh then?  Just to look
busy like... ;)


bye,
  Chris

Hi Peter

> 
> The other thing, I'm now not using the mobo IDE port, and so the ROM 
> hangs around waiting for slow drives that arent there before booting. 
> Is there some simple hack I can do that'll make the ROM think a drive 
> is on the port when there isnt? (IE a "drive ready" pin that i can 
> ground or something)
> 

Check this link. it is part of Warren Blocks A4000 FAQ

http://www.rapidnet.com/~wblock/a4000hard/speedide.html

This is what you need I think...

l8r

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On 15-Nov-99 05:05:21, Thomas Hurst said about [afb] Re: BT to offer unmetered net access!:
> Hi

> On 10-Nov-99 22:02:08, Anthony Prime (anthony@prime.clara.co.uk) wrote:

>> Unless you never leave the house at weekends,

> I don't... :)

>> I would seriously look
>> at Claranet, as I have found their freetime options to be very good.
>> 14.99 per month buys 35 hours of free offpeak time, and any extra is
>> charged at BT rate minus 20%. Peak rate simply uses your inclusive
>> minutes at around 3 per minute online.

> I get 80 hours a month for 29.95, which is pretty good for my usage.

Doesn't sound all that great....96 hours using C&W on Saturdays works
out at 24x4 = 96 for 2 phone charge + your ISP.
I'm sure everyone will have their own versions of saving on call costs...
I have a mate on Claranet and he has sod all but bother.


> I have it on good authority that other interesting things are happening in
> this area... erm... although this is hardly surpising :)

This wouldn't be the BT announcement due for December ,would it?

> I use BT for weekend dialup, even though they are excruciatingly slow... the
> only time I've had decent download rates from them was when someone smurfed
> me for 20 minutes :/


-- 
Ian Urie  <ianurie@jwu.u-net.com>
Uin:19729444
Bookmark - A means of returning to where you got lost last time.

On 15-Nov-99 05:57:47, Thomas Hurst said about [afb] Re: Oh dear... something's broke:
> Hi

> On 12-Nov-99 16:56:25, Alan L.M. Buxey (kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote:

>> On 11 Nov 1999, Thomas Hurst wrote:

>>> conference... still having Thor on a FFS partition makes conferences
>>> that big unbelievably slow (i.e. it takes longer to add messages to the
>>> database

>> try adding some extra buffers to the HD parition

> More than 1024?...

>> ..and do you use a HD cache util? if not, then do so

> Like what? DynamiCache just crashes.

>>> waiting for me... this is because Thor is totally refusing to create a
>>> uidl file,

> I moved Thor to an SFS partiton, and now all is well... much faster, too

So far.....wait til you lose the partition and/or the entire drive fails to
boot. Been there ....done that!



>> why ot try YAM for AFB? Its free and its brilliant!

> LOL, if I wanted to use a buggy, memory guzzling, slow emailer I would, but
> I seriously doubt Yam and any filesystem on earth would cope with my
> workload very well :D


Tom returns to the "slating Yam scenario" :)
 Gotta agree,though!


> Besides, AFB is not important to me, I'd sooner unsubscribe than do much to
> be able to read it...

  
> WinErr f24: Insufficient CPU cooling detected.  Windows has permanently
>             reset your CPU clock to 3 MHz to ensure system stability.

or WinNTErr: lost your roaming profile AGAIN,try this helpdesk number.....



-- 
Ian Urie  <ianurie@jwu.u-net.com>
Uin:19729444
A mistake is something only a virgin and a skydiver can make once

On 16-Nov-99 21:42:22 GMT, Darren wrote:

> Many thanks for the replies, comments and tips. 

Re: my comments about the lack of 750 driver in Turboprint...
http://www.irseesoft.de/ now says (in german) that it will be
available in December, along with lots of others including the
new models in the Epson Stylus range.

-- 
 *Oliver Roberts*  -  Norwich, UK  -  Software Developer & Web Designer
 /oliver.roberts@iname.com/  |  /oliver@amigaf1.freeserve.co.uk/
 http://www.nanunanu.org/~oliver/  -  ICQ: 34640231
-- 
 F1GP-Ed Web Site  ==>  http://www.nanunanu.org/~oliver/F1GP-Ed/
<tsb>

Hi all,

In case no one has noticed, which I doubt, take a look at Transmeta's
web site - http://www.tranmeta.com

Also take a look at the source for the secret message... ;)

-- 
 Andy Mills - http://www.wharne.u-net.com
 South West Amiga Group - http://www.swag.org.uk
 afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
--
New HD detected. Select mode: (G)rind to Dust, (S)pin Dry, (E)conomy Wash?

Hello Andy Mills, on 17-Nov-99 00:54:17 you said about:
  [afb] Transmeta... 

>Hi all,

>In case no one has noticed, which I doubt, take a look at Transmeta's
>web site - http://www.tranmeta.com

Wooops, make that http://www.transmeta.com

>Also take a look at the source for the secret message... ;)

-- 
 Andy Mills - http://www.wharne.u-net.com
 South West Amiga Group - http://www.swag.org.uk
 afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
--
And all the Borg left was this darn Macintosh...

Hello Colin

On 16-Nov-99, c.r.buchanan@hw.ac.uk wrote:
> I've been having trouble getting a reply from phase5's e-mail support.

Now there's a surprise...

> I know that if you e-mail support@phase5.de you get back a mail giving
> the individual support addresses for each product.  However I don't
> seem to be getting any kind of response from these.  Also I heard
> rumours that their e-mail support system doesn't work at the moment
> anyway. So I was wondering whether anybody knows any direct e-mail
> address that I could use to contact  the support people (or person more
> probably) directly.

I tried email first when my PPC card died, but I got absolutely no response,
except for the auto-responder. The best/only way to get anywhere is to phone
them on 0049 6171 583787, the people I've spoken to speak very good English
so there's no worries there.

When they had taken a look at my card they actually sent me a letter
(snail-mail !), even though I'd included my email address on my covering
letter and specifically asked for them to keep in touch via email :-\

However, contrary to what I'd heard and expected, they were actually fairly
quick sorting out my problem, now I'm just waiting for my replacement card to
arrive. Apparently payment is by COD though, which is a bit of a PITA :-\

Cheers.
-- 
 James Luscombe                   Amiga 3000T, 604e/200 060/50, Picasso IV
 james@jackle.demon.co.uk         Amiga 1200, 040/40

 "All our races stand on the edge of extinction" - G'Kar.

> There's always someone isn't there...Christmas is about giving, not
> receiving. ;)

Fine. Then *give* me my present  ;)

Cheers,

Eddie

------------------------------------------------------------------


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Thanks again...

INTERNET MAILING PROGRAM

You may have seen similar programs on the net...
there are lots of them. This one is different,
IT'S CHEAT-PROOF, please read on to see why. It
includes a method of accountability that keeps
everyone honest so that we all get our money and
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More about that later. First, take the time to save
this letter to file so you can edit it, (with notepad,
for example), with your Name and Address, and
information I will e-mail to you later with Phase2
of the program.

Next, ask the person in Position #1 via e-mail if they
have received their $5.00 US Dollars payment from me!
This keeps everyone honest and insures the continued
success of the program!


Position #4

Wayne H. DeMeuse

123 Riverside Drive

Washington, GA  30673

Mail To: wayne@whd1.net 



Position #3

Chris F.

15660 Murphy Rd.

Winnebago, IL  61088

Mail To: c15660@hotmail.com


I sent my $5 and my email address to Position # 1 & 2
with a note asking them to add me to their mailing list.

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he verified with Position #2 that he/she also received
my $5.

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located in Position #3 in this file.

Next, replace the information at position #2 with the
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at Position #4 in this file.

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that states:

Please add me to your Mailing List and RUSH Phase2 to
me by e-mail (REMEMBER TO INCLUDE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS!)

Address the envelope to the person in Position #3, and
post it in the mail.


Position #1

Garry Comeno

1120 Ferndale

Plymouth, IN  46563

Mail To: TRIMGUY99@MICHIANATODAY.COM



In another envelope include a $5 US bill and a note
that states:

Please add me to your Mailing List (REMEMBER TO INCLUDE
YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS!)

Address the envelope to the person in Position #4 and
post it in the mail.


Position #2

C. Beyer

P.O. Box 176


St. Johnsbury, Vt 05819-0176

Mail To: katpaws@iname.com



**REMEMBER TO CHECK FOR PROPER POSTAGE IF OUTSIDE OF U.S.**


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DO NOT SEND ANY MONEY TO THE PEOPLE I SENT MONEY TO ALREADY
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EXACTLY as they are given to you or this will not work...
I repeat, will not work!!!

E-mail addresses are very specific and must be typed
exactly as shown. Include your e-mail address in all
your correspondence with us.

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with Position #4 that they received your $5 also! This is
what makes this program cheat-proof & ensures that everyone
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program & be successful!

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Ad samples, tips, and lots of links to FREE ADs and
CLASSIFIED addresses all over the net.

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Read this over carefully and follow the instructions.
So far it has worked very well for me...In addition to
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If you want a lot of money weekly, then please take the
time to read this carefully and understand the program
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You will not have to send $5 to five people for a report,
a recipe, disk or any other product and then later
re-invest more time and money to get things going. This
is completely different. And I'll show you proof that
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seven, or more like other programs. This four level
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Note: When you first send this program out, you will
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(totaling $200-250,which is a nice profit in itself).

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position #4, where you will be receiving $5.00 from
20x20x20 = 8,000 people times $5.00 equals $40,000!!!

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extremely fast, (this is not snail mail, taking
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The originator of this program makes money with it.
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Cindy Allen ran this mailing list summation, and has
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Profits!

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received Phase2 by e-mail.

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your way to receiving BIG MONEY!!! All you'll have to
do is answer e-mail saying YES, I've been PAID! & (be
sure to keep a record of those that have paid and been
added to your mailing list for future reference).

You should send this program to people who send you
similar programs because you know yours is faster.
Even if you're in a program, try this one. It's simple
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started. In fact, the quick cash you will make from this
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You will be amazed with the responses you'll get from
the Web.

Thanks for reading this far... Now here are the simple
details!!!

Basically, it is a list of four people who have already
decided to change their lives, make money and build
their mailing lists. They participate by mailing $5 and
their postal and e-mail addresses to persons #3 and #4
on the list.

FOLLOW THESE THREE EASY STEPS...

1) Save this file as your Phase1 file where you can
edit the changes (Names, addresses, and e-mail addresses)!

2) Mail out a total of $10, ($5 cash each), to Position
#3 and Position #4 listed above.

3) Update the names on the list. Place your name,
Address, and e-mail address in Position #3 (where mine
is now) and wait for the Phase2 file to arrive in your
e-mail box.

The Phase2 file will be sent the same day the money
arrives at my home address. In the Phase2 file you
will be given the information of the person that will
be placed in Position #4 of your version of the Phase1
file. This is the only way to ensure that all
participants get paid.

You will find out more in Phase2, which will be on the
way to you the same day I receive your $5.00.

Get started by preparing the two envelopes, notes, and
two $5.00 US bills. As soon as your envelope reaches me,
I'll rush Phase2 to you by e-mail the same day. Thank
you for your participation.

We will all make a HUGE Profit through cooperation.

Here's how your name will move quickly through the
program!

First, your name is at position #3 on Phase1 that you
send out to those who respond to your Ad (just cut and
paste your saved Phase1 file to your e-mail to them,
or send it as an attachment).

Secondly, you will e-mail Phase2 to 40-50 people who
have sent you $5.00 (totaling $200-$250)!!! On your
Phase2 you will be instructing your respondents to place
your name at Position #1 and you will begin to receive
inquiries from others asking if you have been paid,
(you won't receive any money on this level, only
inquiries).

Thirdly, those people who have inquired as to payment,
will be getting another 20 people to participate, and
your name will be at position #4. This is how you will
receive 20x20x20=8,000x$5.00 equaling $40,000!!!

Lastly, your name will be at position #2 where you will
have completed the program, you'll probably be in
Tahiti, enjoying your profits!

At this point, if you wish, you can start your campaign
again to make even more Money, and Kiss Your Boss
Good-bye forever!!

Good luck! Make it a Great Day! And, once again, if I can help in
any way please e-mail me!


Chris F.


P.S. I'd also like to add something!!  I personally want
     to make tons of money so im trying to get over 50
     of the messages out, if you have the time, could you
     try to get 25-35 or more people past Phase2, it is not
     only for my benefit, but yours also!! If you don't 
     want to thats perfectly fine with me, just go with
     the program as planned. Thanks for your extra time!!!
      

Hello Jonathan

On 16-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Hi
> =

> Does anyone-one know the target for Wipeout sales?  For that matter doe=
s
> anyone know how many PPC boards have been sold?

10,000+

>bit more time and money to ensure stability, but the Wipeout licence can=
`t
> have been cheap.

circa =A35000....which is loose-change-you-find-down-the-back-of-the-sofa=
,
compared to other game licenses.
> I`ll certainly be buying Wipeout, but not until I have the hardware to =
run
> it.  I can`t really see the point of buying a PPC board with the G4s so=

> close to being released as I want a GFX card too, and more RAM and I ca=
n`t
> afford it all twice.  I hope they wait until a while after the G4s are
> released before deciding whether Wipeout was a success, cos there must =
be
> few others waiting like me.
> =

> Jon

You've gotta buy WO2097 now.....think of it has a investment for future
software for when you buy the G4/GFX card combo.  Make "Power Software" a=

success now and you're guaranteeing "Power Software" in the future. =


Regards

chris
-- =

Are you threatening me?  I am the Great Cornholio!  I need TeePee for my
bunghole.
-- Beavis, Beavis & Butthead

Powered by PowerPC Amiga in Dumfries & Galloway

A1200 Power Tower, 200Mhz PPC/060 50Mhz, BVision, 74Mb Ram, OS3.5, CGX V4=
=2E1

Panasonic 36" Wiiiiddeessccrreeennn TV, Pioneer 717 MultiRegion DVD, Deno=
n
AC3 Decoder, JBL Speakers, Kef SubWoofer..... =

> > I'm waiting to see what others say before I start splashing cash
about. I

Okay, DOpus is great. But, it would be even better with os3.5 under it.

> as i said...you either get the latest OS with many fixes, or you
addyet
> another layer to your Amiga...which I now know isnt even OS3.1 - do
you
> know of the 200-odd fixes that are in the os3.1 ROMs ? that in itself
is
> worth 1/2 the money!  

So would this make an Amiga stable-r? (Please, say yes!)

> workbench isnt an OS! workbench is a basic GUI that could still be
> vastly improved (thats what Dopus's job is, just a GUI!)

Why the hell is WB3.5 called OS3.5 in the first place? If we had *new*
v3.5 ROMs, then I would agree with the name.

Paul
=====
Fortune favours the bold.
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

> Does anyone-one know the target for Wipeout sales?  For that matter
does
> anyone know how many PPC boards have been sold?

I don't know about Wipeout, but I read/heard somewhere that 10,000 PPC
boards have been sold. I doubt that this is correct though...

Paul
=====
Well look at that. The sun's coming up...
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

Hi Richard,

If your going to write this helpful tutorial, how about telling us ppl
what we can alter in HDToolbox without wiping data off the drive.
ie. Installing a new filing system on the RDB?
    Altering the Maxtransfer size? etc etc.

Paul
=====
It was...fun.
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

> Hi
> 
> Most of us have more than one Amiga.  Some may even have more 
> than one Amiga
> that makes the grade for running OS3.5.  So what I want to 
> know is, how many
> machines are you allowed to install your 1 copy on?

According to the license at the front of the manual, one Amiga
and one only.

Tudor's advice on the UK licensing laws is a bit misleading,
because you can get around those laws by making your own
disclaimer - the AmigaOS is governed by the laws of the
State of California ;)

It says in the front, you can *INSTALL* it on one Amiga only.
Nothing about concurrency, it's as if it's tying the CD install
to the Amiga machine.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > > I'm waiting to see what others say before I start splashing cash
> > > about. I
> 
> Okay, DOpus is great. But, it would be even better with os3.5 
> under it.

Agreed. Icon decoding is much faster under 3.5 and DOpus will
benefit from it (with patch applied ;)

> > as i said...you either get the latest OS with many fixes, or you
> > add yet another layer to your Amiga...which I now know isnt even
> > OS3.1 - do you know of the 200-odd fixes that are in the os3.1
> > ROMs ? that in itself is worth 1/2 the money!  
> 
> So would this make an Amiga stable-r? (Please, say yes!)

The OS3.1 ROMs are infinitely more stable than the OS3.0 ROMs, which
is why they made OS3.5 only compatible with the OS3.1 ROM set..

> > workbench isnt an OS! workbench is a basic GUI that could still be
> > vastly improved (thats what Dopus's job is, just a GUI!)
> 
> Why the hell is WB3.5 called OS3.5 in the first place? If we had *new*
> v3.5 ROMs, then I would agree with the name.

OS3.5 is called OS3.5 because it includes more than just the Workbench,
there are the icon libraries, the new asl system, preferences utils,
printer drivers, better support for RTG, the big-disk support, the
020 optimisation, and the convenience of a CD-ROM install.

There is no such thing as Workbench 3.5 (or WB3.5 ugh!), it's
officially (and should be called) Workbench v44

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Ok, got a small problem. Bought a new HD to go with OS3.5, a 6.4gig
beauty. Prob is, OS3.5 is having trouble formatting any partitions over
4gig...which wa sstarnge I as tohught 3.5 had support for larger
drives, then again, maybe I have to install the filesystem manually?

Anyway, I have PFS/2 so I installed that on the drive, a little better
but still I could not format the larger partitions.

Any suggestions?

- Jace.

Hey there ppl!

During this weekend, I will be making some serious alterations to the
Amipal website. If you want to check it out in it's *current* state,
visit the following URL:

                       http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

However, from Saturday evening, the site will probably be removed to
make way for the *new* site, so don't panic (though I doubt very much
that you will)! The new site is designed so that it is even easier for
you, the reader, to find new information. It will also be easier for me
to update, so there should be more updates than with the previous site.

No surrender, no retreat...

Paul
=====
Well look at that. The sun's coming up...
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

> Ok, got a small problem. Bought a new HD to go with OS3.5, a 6.4gig
> beauty. Prob is, OS3.5 is having trouble formatting any partitions

Define 'trouble'

> over 4gig...which was starnge I as tohught 3.5 had support for larger
> drives, then again, maybe I have to install the filesystem manually?

Go into HDToolbox, select your harddrive, and Add/Update filesystem,
and make sure the filesystem version is the same as the file
L:FastFileSystem - if it isn't, update it!
 
> Anyway, I have PFS/2 so I installed that on the drive, a little better
> but still I could not format the larger partitions.

PFS2 doesn't support large disks through NSD (stubborn fools won't
add it out of spite) so you have to use the DirectSCSI version of
PFS..

> Any suggestions?

Run away?

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Matthew,

> On the contrary. Adding stuff to windows would be a nightmare, so many
> things to break. Whereas workbench is massively simple in comparrison. WB
> doesn't have a fraction of the features of other OS', its comparatively
> simple. And no people whining "lets see you make it better then..."
> because I can't, but I do know that it could and should have been better
> than it is.

I'm afraid you know not whereof you speak. AmigaOS may be simple in
comparison to Windows, but there are plenty more things to break for the
Amiga than there are for Windows (because of the fact that people use the
supplied APIs rather than writing their own).

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)      /PGP key available/   T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Why is the word abbreviation so long?

Hi Matthew,

>> The work done on 3.5 *has* to be solid, and supporting lots of third
>> party cards makes this difficult. Likewise the lack of a no-click patch
>> for floppy disks was determined to still be unsafe to include in the OS,
>> it wasn't merely forgotten.

> So if it doesn't work for every single machine out there, it isn't needed?

No, it doesn't mean it isn't needed, it's just not as simple to implement as
you seem to suggest.

All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
       Tagline unfunny. Steal anyway? [Y/n]

Hi Matthew,

>> 7 was shite, I doubt you'll argue this. Hardly a thing was
> added which is why I didn't buy it. The printing is as slow as ever and
> the only new stuff was the toolbar and a couple of other tidbits

I'll argue that jumping from 4SE to 7 would have made a huge difference and
the cost for 7 wasn't exactly astronomical, especially compared to the
earlier, less feature-filled versions.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)      /PGP key available/   T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hi Andy,

> Set yer clock will yer! :)

My clock is fine. It's set every day by our timeserver.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)      /PGP key available/   T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
In the land of numbers 23 is king

Hi Alan,

> review in the next issue??

Not this one, perhaps the following.

> Hope it can handle where the A23 meets the A27 just nort of brighton...
> I put the Brighton-> portsmouth route into Autoroute express on a PC
> last year...it told me to go north PAST the A27, then to tak a left down
> onto the A27....if i followed that route i would have driven up the
> sliproad that leads OFF the A27 and found myself driving the wrong way
> along the A27!! (incidentally the correct route is take a right at the
> roundabout juntion just south of the A27 and then follow the sliproad
> onto he A27) LOL!

Almost certainly not. These programs aren't put together by people with an
in-depth knowledge of every area their program covers, but with standard
maps and a route finding algorithm. A route planner is useful for people
who need to get somewhere they haven't been before, but there are *always*
shortcuts.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)      /PGP key available/   T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
              Change is inevitable. 
          Except from a vending machine.

Hi Alex,

> Most of us have more than one Amiga. Some may even have more than one
> Amiga that makes the grade for running OS3.5. So what I want to know is,
> how many machines are you allowed to install your 1 copy on?

Only one working machine. Theoretically you could just buy the one copy and
install it on all your machines, but only have one of them switched on at a
time, but...

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)      /PGP key available/   T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There's a gallon of deliciousness in every drop. Reach 
for the taste of good taste, reach for DyDo.

> > Most of us have more than one Amiga. Some may even have 
> > more than one Amiga that makes the grade for running
> > OS3.5. So what I want to know is, how many machines
> > are you allowed to install your 1 copy on?
> 
> Only one working machine. Theoretically you could just buy 
> the one copy and install it on all your machines, but only
> have one of them switched on at a time, but...

I read the license on the train, and it definitely says one
copy per installation - per machine. So one copy for each
Amiga you have to install it on.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Having 'chown'ed a directory, 'setenv'ed a user name, the sever deamon
starts, but when i launch the client, ixemul (both v47 and v48), puts
the "ABORT!" requestor and promptley hangs my machine. Any ideas ?

I removed MCP, and left snoopdos loging while it crashed, but nothing
important seems to fail. (isent SFS wonderfull) Have a look at this,
all the failures are shown here.

 msql   OpenLib   ixemul.library               Ver 47 OK
 msql   OpenDev   timer.device                 Unit 0 OK
 msql   *Lock     *                            Read   Fail
 msql   #LOC_OBJE   15C4D2,   16EBC8, FFFFFFFE DH2    Fail
 run    FindVar   RC                           Local  OK
 run    FindVar   Result2                      Local  OK
 msql   Open      *                            Read   OK
 Shell  GetVar    echo                         Local  Fail
 Shell  GetVar    oldredirect                  Local  Fail
 msql   OpenDev   input.device                 Unit 0 OK
 msql   #FLUSH    (None)                       DH0    OK
 msql   #FLUSH    (None)                       DH0    OK
 msql   #FLUSH    (None)                       DH0    OK
 msql   Open      etc:passwd                   Read   Fail
 msql   #FLUSH    (None)                       DH0    OK
 msql   #FLUSH    (None)                       DH0    Fail
 msql   #FLUSH    (None)                       DH0    OK
 msql   #FLUSH    (None)                       DH0    OK
 msql   Open      etc:group                    Read   Fail
 msql   #FLUSH    (None)                       DH0    OK
 msql   #FREE_LOC   15CDA0                     DH2    OK
 msql   FindVar   RC                           Local  OK
 msql   FindVar   Result2                      Local  OK
 Backgr GetVar    echo                         Local  Fail
 Backgr GetVar    oldredirect                  Local  Fail
 Backgr GetVar    echo                         Local  Fail
 Backgr GetVar    oldredirect                  Local  Fail
 Backgr #FREE_LOC   15C4D2                     DH2    OK
 Shell  GetVar    echo                         Local  Fail
 Shell  GetVar    oldredirect                  Local  Fail



Matthew J Fletcher                                 DICE Development Group
amimjf@connectfree.co.uk                     http:bounce.to/matts
Matthew.Fletcher@student.shu.ac.uk    ICQ amimjf 44193496

On 16 Nov 1999, Kevin Fairhurst wrote:

> Oh look, http://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/pub/aminet/misc/misc/AmiAtlas20.lha
> 
> Only version 2, but I'll soon see if it is worth buying!

version 2 is quite a long toothed product now

alan

Hi chris,

>> Does anyone-one know the target for Wipeout sales?  For that matter does
>> anyone know how many PPC boards have been sold?

> 10,000+

I really, really doubt that. I would say no more than 5-6000.

All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
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Excuse for the day: typo in cdoe

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Andy Kinsella wrote:

> You run Photoshop much? It takes more than the few second to load. I
> wowuldn't like to use it as a picture viewer, that's for sure. I'll
> stick with Visage for now :)

photoshop loads up in a second here...and it does the conversion
routines too. 

alan

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Jonathan Day wrote:

> I`ll certainly be buying Wipeout, but not until I have the hardware to run
> it.  I can`t really see the point of buying a PPC board with the G4s so
> close to being released as I want a GFX card too, and more RAM and I can`t
> afford it all twice.  I hope they wait until a while after the G4s are
> released before deciding whether Wipeout was a success, cos there must be
> few others waiting like me.

you sort of answered it in this paragraph..it'll take about a year (and
certainly a figure of sales after G3/G4 cards and gfx boards are
released) until WO2097 can be seen as successful or not. For the OS,
however, they cant hang around for a year waiting for sales as they want
to develop it over that year

alan

> Hi chris,
> 
> > > Does anyone-one know the target for Wipeout sales?  For 
> > > that matter does
> > > anyone know how many PPC boards have been sold?
> 
> > 10,000+
> 
> I really, really doubt that. I would say no more than 5-6000.

PPC cards is confirmed just under 10,000 - I think someone from
phase5 said 9890 or something.

WipeOut sales targets would probably be something like 1000
copies ;)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

It's on Aminet!! Yay!! E-Mail the author and thank him!!

Or not as the case may be.

> Good luck! Make it a Great Day! And, once again, if I can help in
> any way please e-mail me!
> 
> 
> Chris F.
> 
Mate, I've already warned you once about dumping shit in my hotmail
account. Now I'm just going to have your account closed. Thank you. 

_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Matthew O'Neill <mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Tuesday, 16-Nov-99, 04:47:43
 About:  [afb] Re: SuperView Whinge and Whine 


Hello Matthew,

>> It'll still only be 1%, but one percent of a market with 32094757
>> trillion users is more than a market where people aren't even running
>> a current OS...

> Noone is going to buy a picture viewer on the pc. Everyone has a
> picture viewer, ones which will have many more features than his will.
> In fact pcs are so fast they use paint packages as viewers...

I'd noticed that too, but also noticed no simple way to view a series of
pictures with the existing software (like using visage, and clicking
for the next slide).  Nor a simple pattern selection in explorer
(Windows usual filemanager program).  Sorting the list display by
filetype (really sort by suffixe text), and manually selecting a group
isn't as useful as doing a ar*e.zip type of pattern match.

You won't beleive this, but that choice of letters was purely random. 
Really it was, I nearly pissed myself laughing when I realised what keys
I'd pressed.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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"sealey, m." wrote: 

> I read the license on the train, and it definitely says one
> copy per installation - per machine. So one copy for each
> Amiga you have to install it on.
I presume its just the *standard* licence,.. one cd per box,.. forget
that in reality you might have one copy on the cd, one on disk, one in
memory, one backed up, etc..

I dont Know if it is allready known, but there is a new flash update
for PPC cards available in ftp.phase5.de/pub/phase5/ppc/ dated 19/10/99.

There has been an intermediate release of the cgx4.2 update available
at www.vgr.com.

The patch requires the cgxv4 cd-rom and it updates the cgxsystemlibrary
to be more compatible with os3.5.

matt
----

On 17 Nov 1999, Andy Mills wrote:

> In case no one has noticed, which I doubt, take a look at Transmeta's
> web site - http://www.tranmeta.com
> 
> Also take a look at the source for the secret message... ;)

:-)

i was actually going to mention this yesterday when it was
announced..especially after all the 'AmigaMMC will use Transmeta'
hoo haa that was going on.

however, apart from the 'secret message', there isnt really anything new
about the Crusoe chip...we'll have to wait until January

alan

hi,

> Okay, DOpus is great. But, it would be even better with os3.5 under it.

correct. this is what I now run
 
> So would this make an Amiga stable-r? (Please, say yes!)

very much so. in a wide range of places
 
> Why the hell is WB3.5 called OS3.5 in the first place? If we had *new*
> v3.5 ROMs, then I would agree with the name.

its not called WB3.5, its called OS3.5  We do have a 3.5 version of the
OS, it just uses a few OS3.1 parts still, other bits of ROM code are
updated. Listen to all the screams of people saying that 35 ukp is too
much for the new OS. imagine how many more screams there'd be if
everyone was charged 80 UKP for os3.5+3.5 ROMs (80 UKP is the old 3.1
upgrade figure)

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> I don't know about Wipeout, but I read/heard somewhere that 10,000 PPC
> boards have been sold. I doubt that this is correct though...

it is correct. pity that the production lines have been halted...wonder
how many people will buy the AmiJoe G3 cards.. they will be cheaper and
offer 040 performance under the emulation.

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> If your going to write this helpful tutorial, how about telling us ppl
> what we can alter in HDToolbox without wiping data off the drive.
> ie. Installing a new filing system on the RDB?
>     Altering the Maxtransfer size? etc etc.

?? thats easy...use just edit the drive data for those partitions. if
you dont touch anything else (start blocks etc) then it wont be
affected. I've changed types of paritions many times...i've even
converted

|     a        |    b     |   c  |    d         |

into
|     a        | b  | c |  d     |    e         |

without affecting 'a' or 'old d' (became 'e') data.

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Almost certainly not. These programs aren't put together by people with an
> in-depth knowledge of every area their program covers, but with standard
> maps and a route finding algorithm. A route planner is useful for people
> who need to get somewhere they haven't been before, but there are *always*
> shortcuts.

umm, if they use road data, then they should be fine. 

shortcut? driving 'up' a 'down ramp' (sorry to use americanisms, but its
easier to understand) to get onto a dual carriageway (and end up facing
oncoming traffic) isnt the best shortcut i've heard of. thats why i said
the slip road onto the A27 to go westwards is south of the A27. the AA
atlas shows this. i will try it on those web links mentioned

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 riksweeney@hotmail.com wrote:

> It's on Aminet!! Yay!! E-Mail the author and thank him!!
> 
> Or not as the case may be.

newer build of MAME for Amiga? great! ;-)

now to find what CPU's are supported...and whether it now works with
WarpOS

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Matthew Thompson wrote:

> There has been an intermediate release of the cgx4.2 update available
> at www.vgr.com.
> 
> The patch requires the cgxv4 cd-rom and it updates the cgxsystemlibrary
> to be more compatible with os3.5.

great, thanks for the update ..info should be on amiga news sites soon.

i'll be getting that then :-)

alan

> it is correct. pity that the production lines have been
halted...wonder
> how many people will buy the AmiJoe G3 cards.. they will be cheaper
and
> offer 040 performance under the emulation.

I have been thinking (yep, that was the noise you've been hearing).
Hear me out before you start to flame me...

The Blizzard/Cyberstorm G4 will be it's own little computer sitting in
our Amigas running QNX's Neutrino, using the Amiga just for it's I/O
etc, right?

While the AmiJOE G3 will be more like a current accelerator ie. install
the software, bung in the card, *ta da*! A working Amiga, running
AmigaOS through an emulator on a ROM, giving approximatley 040/33 (or
whatever) speeds. It is now part of the Amiga system just like (well,
not *exactly* like) a Blizzard1230 would be.

Now I don't pretend to know everything about these cool cards, but if
this theory of mine is correct, I know where my money would go.

Paul
=====
It was...fun.
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

Hi Jon,

> Does anyone-one know the target for Wipeout sales?  For that matter
does
> anyone know how many PPC boards have been sold?

Nope.

> 
> I can`t see Wipeout being much of a commercial success given that H&P
needed
> so many sales for continued OS development.  I know an OS needs a bit
more
> time and money to ensure stability, but the Wipeout licence can`t
have been
> cheap.

Nope.  Probably not.

> 
> I`ll certainly be buying Wipeout, but not until I have the hardware
to run
> it.  I can`t really see the point of buying a PPC board with the G4s
so
> close to being released as I want a GFX card too, and more RAM and I
can`t
> afford it all twice.  

Dito.

I hope they wait until a while after the G4s are
> released before deciding whether Wipeout was a success, cos there
must be
> few others waiting like me.

Dito.

Bifford the Youngest.

> > it is correct. pity that the production lines have been
> > halted...wonder how many people will buy the AmiJoe G3
> > cards.. they will be cheaper and offer 040 performance
> > under the emulation.
> 
> I have been thinking (yep, that was the noise you've been hearing).
> Hear me out before you start to flame me...
> 
> The Blizzard/Cyberstorm G4 will be it's own little computer sitting in
> our Amigas running QNX's Neutrino, using the Amiga just for it's I/O
> etc, right?

That depends on a great many things. Like whether you choose to run
Neutrino.

> While the AmiJOE G3 will be more like a current accelerator 

The phase5 and Met@box accelerators are essentially identical, it's
just phase5's will be running Neutrino out-of-the-box and Met@box's
.. well we don't know what it'll be running, but probably the H&P
emulator with WarpOS on top.

> AmigaOS through an emulator on a ROM, giving approximatley 040/33 (or
> whatever) speeds.

On a G3, something like an 060 at the best of times, and like a nippy
040 at the worst of times.

> It is now part of the Amiga system just like (well, not *exactly*
> like) a Blizzard1230 would be.
> 
> Now I don't pretend to know everything about these cool cards, but if
> this theory of mine is correct, I know where my money would go.

Either, essentially.

Don't put too much weight on the Neutrino thing. Chances
are you'll not see it at all most of the time, unless you
REALLY choose to.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> The Blizzard/Cyberstorm G4 will be it's own little computer sitting in
> our Amigas running QNX's Neutrino, using the Amiga just for it's I/O
> etc, right?
> 
> While the AmiJOE G3 will be more like a current accelerator ie. install
> the software, bung in the card, *ta da*! A working Amiga, running
> AmigaOS through an emulator on a ROM, giving approximatley 040/33 (or
> whatever) speeds. It is now part of the Amiga system just like (well,
> not *exactly* like) a Blizzard1230 would be.

The P5 boards will be supported by WarpOS like the AmiJoe G3 will be.  If
you the recent transcripts by H&P, they state that they are offering
WarpOs to everyone.  I believe the QNX is just another option you can
have, as well as a WarpOs solution.

m*ke.......................................

Hi all  Sorry for the cross posting
  The DigiGuide (digital Television listings app. )  has now placed
Amiga in the list of options for a port.  If you would like to see
this application ported to the Amiga, or you know someone who would. 
Then please pop along to
http:digiguide.co.uk
where you will find on the main page a poll.  Just one click and it is
all done 80).  So please show your support 
Peace
Zanthras
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<><
 Amiga Computers
http://www.amiga.com

> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> > I know when it can cause trouble, but I only use n for counting,
> > storing variables while I mess with them and stuff like that. I
> > also have a string called 'spare' which I mess around with..
> 
> So you haven't learnt the ancient art of the function then?  ;)

Yes.. gah! You just don't understand. I'm just not as strict a
programmer as I should be. I'll use the same 'n' variable in main()
as I do in miscellaneous() and wibble() because it's easier to
define it once and have it work forever than faff around defining
it everything I need it.

It usually gets removed as and when the usage gets important enough
to get a really nicely named variable, but for piffly little utils
with three functions and a few defines (not even 100 lines of code)
it's not worth that.
 
> > They never EVER get used for anything important.
> 
> You have programs that just do stuff for a laugh then?  Just to
> look busy like... ;)

The program I was writing there was a banner program. You know,
like "Loading stuff.. please wait.." in a pretty blue box with
ANSI code borders. I was trying to get the damned thing to let
me enter the names of environment variables.. (I just whacked a
# in front of the variable name) and then it started crashing.

It works fine now, and I have a decent command line banner app.
Now to get it to work from text based config files rather than
taking stuff from the command line!

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On 16-Nov-99, Eng. Ricardo Fitzgerald wrote:

>    I sell u a PPC160, 040 25 full for $399 

And which dollars are these? I its american, you can buy a new one for
less....

Mash - 
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Freefall Sex: Leapin' Lovers, Batman! What'll they think of Next?!

Hi

Any news on the wheel support for my powerc thingummygig?

Mash
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Stop the lift!  Worf's carsick again!

Hello Darren

On 16-Nov-99, Darren wrote:
> Many thanks for the replies, comments and tips. 


> I'm not quite sure what you are referring to here Jon.  I did not
> cross post my original mail and as far as I can tell none of the
> replies were cross posted.

>>     PLEASE do not make your mails to multiple users, I don't like
> the idea
>> of this mail going to half a dozen other lists,

    You had set a CC to Darren <darren@kewley.demon.co.uk>   there are some
people who crosspost to multiple Amiga lists, it's a pita and one of the
don't do rules of this list.  YAM stuck a requester up when I hit the reply
button for your mail.

    It's not as annoying as Ben's clock, I keep reading his answer before
the question, ;-)

Cheers
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-----------------------------------------------
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-----------------------------------------------

Hello Matt,

On 17-Nov-99, you wrote:


>> While the AmiJOE G3 will be more like a current accelerator 
> 
> The phase5 and Met@box accelerators are essentially identical, it's
> just phase5's will be running Neutrino out-of-the-box and Met@box's
> .. well we don't know what it'll be running, but probably the H&P
> emulator with WarpOS on top.

I doubt they'll be identical. I know the Met@box card is designed by
Dave Haynie and that Ex-P5 type (Carda or something), and I don't think
they have anything to do with P5. The two boards will probably be
identical in the same meaning as the Apollo 060 cards are identical to
the Blizzard 060 cards: they serve the same purpose.
And Met@box said they'll be using their own software, a hardware driver
for WarpOS. Actually there are already working versions out (though not
in the shops :(

Regards
-- 
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Hi Everybody,

> Well, the Iwin site doesnt say anything about the Amiga anymore, its
> just offering loads and loads of prizes for playing games with them. =

> Another hoax?
> =

> You decide.

   Whats this? IWin's amiga jobbies were a hoax? well, /I didn't see that=
 comming/ !    :)

See ya :)
-- =

       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
          http://mantasoft.aio.co.uk/       ICQ: 21829166        =

 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
I think that God in creating man somewhat overestimated his ability.
-- Oscar Wilde

Hi Everybody,
> My son has an Amiga 1200 with 6MB ram and a 63MB hard drive. He
> accidently clicked on a program 3 times and moved it to one side. The
> computer then crashed and when he rebooted he got 2 system requests:
> "Error validating Hardrive Block 62575 used twice" and "Intuition is
> attempting to reset workbench screen, please close all windows, except
> drawers". He also notes that  he now has 0 Meg free on the hard drive,
> whereas before he had 18 Meg, and that any attempt to save or delete
> produces the message "Volume Hardrive is not validated" and his only
> option is to cancel.
> =

> Can anyone explain in simple terms what he has done and how he can
> correct it? =


   Easy:

He interupted his amiga while it was writing to the drive. This confuses =
the file system. /Usually/ it fixes its self no problem, but this time it=
 can't for some reason.

All you have to do is download Disksalv off aminet, and run it on the har=
d drive with the 'Validate' Option.

See ya :)
-- =

       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
          http://mantasoft.aio.co.uk/       ICQ: 21829166        =

 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
You cannot kill time without injuring eternity.
-- Thoreau

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Andrew Crowe wrote:
> > Well, the Iwin site doesnt say anything about the Amiga anymore, its
> > just offering loads and loads of prizes for playing games with them. 
> > Another hoax?

  Are visiting the iWin-Corp homepage and not the iWin.com page?


bye,
  Chris

Hello Sealey, M.,
 your comments on [afb] Re: Why buy OS3.5 (was: The new issue) have got me thinking
>What have you got
>to lose from buying OS3.5 apart from some kind of twisted pride
>for screwing the rest of us out of any updates?

About 60

;-)

___________________________________________________
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Hello Anthony Prime,
 your comments on [afb] Re: Poll users have got me thinking
>in a fit of rage Chris Andrews said something about [afb] Re: Poll users

>> > I think the real reason is that most people either don't care about
>> > the polls, they are too lazy or they can't be bothered!
> 
>>   Maybe, but I think that it's more that they go online primarily to fetch
>> their mail, then go offline.  The first they know about the poll is when
>> they already clicked offline and are halfway down their mails.  ...and
>> seeing that only about 10% of the list members ever post messages or
>> replys then I doubt that they'll save it for when reconnecting (the next
>> day).

Just a thought but wouldn't it be easy to have an email account with unlimited
addresses, you know, something like (anything)@fewchure.co.uk. The reply address
could be poll1@fewchure to pollwhatevernumberyou lie@fewchure. The subject
heading could then be used as the option number chosen. The mails could be
filtered first by the address and then by the subject. A permenant connection
would be best for this then a confirmation of voting reply could be
automatically sent out.
Any good?

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Hello.

It sounds crazy, but I have not installed OS3.5 on my personal system.
The reason? I am bloody scared I have to spend hours to fix my sys:
partition to get everything as it is now.
With all the patches I have installed + Magellan II (running as WB) I fee=
l annoyed by the idea to spend many hours of work to install and update m=
y system.
Although Ben has advised everyone to create a new sys: partition to
install the OS from scratch, I was wondering if there is anybody out ther=
e (with
a long list of patches + Magellan II on the sys:) who has managed to inst=
all it on top of the previous OS without the hassle of long working hours=
 to fix the system.

Kind regards
-- =

Vincenzo Morra
vmorra@morres.demon.co.uk
www.morres.demon.co.uk
ICQ: 18467837

Hi Ben

> > Most of us have more than one Amiga. Some may even have more than one
> > Amiga that makes the grade for running OS3.5. So what I want to know is,
> > how many machines are you allowed to install your 1 copy on?
>
> Only one working machine. Theoretically you could just buy the one copy
and
> install it on all your machines, but only have one of them switched on at
a
> time, but...

Kinda defeats the object of a network really.

Tatty byes
--
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ICQ - 51206302

This week's lie: Marzipan has DNA only 1% different from that of a squid.

Hello Tim

On 17-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Downgrading to AmigaOS 1.1 would be more cruel.

  What's wrong with 1.1? It enables you to play the greatest game
of all times: ARCHON
  And if you find it too fast, you can even use an American 1.1 60Hz
kickstart disk. When you're fed up with Archon, load the workbench
and watch the clock. It'll tell you that time is subjective, and 
you'll feel you're still getting old, but more slowly.

  Patrice - Still here, but very busy with Afb-OT

I think this poll is somewhat silly becasue not enough makes are
mentioned. There are huge numbers of people with 'Other' because makes
such as Seagate and Western Digital are not mentioned.

Thomas Braby

I wrote:

> At least there's some hope. I've tried a few things now, and I can't
> remember why I suspect the 060 library. It's definitely a Setpatch problem
> though, so I may have to look at other areas. I remember reading summat in
> the docs about hard disks...?

And I've done it!  :)

I tried the "SkipROMModules" thing to no effect then, out of desperation, I
tried renaming AmigaOSROMUpdate in Devs and it works. I'd obviously become
hung up on the 060 library thing but suddenly thought; "What if it's not
that?". Lucky I did really, or I'd still be battling with it come Christmas.

Anyhow, thanks to Alan and Ben for sparing me some brain cycles on this.  :)

Regards,
Jonny.
--
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"alex furmanski" <a.furmansk-@virgin.net> wrote: 
> Hi Ben
> 
> > > Most of us have more than one Amiga. Some may even have more
> > > than one Amiga that makes the grade for running OS3.5. So
> > > what I want to know is, how many machines are you allowed to
> > > install your 1 copy on?
> >
> > Only one working machine. Theoretically you could just buy the
> > one copy and install it on all your machines, but only have
> > one of them switched on at a time, but...
> 
> Kinda defeats the object of a network really.

What? What rubbish is THAT then?

On ANY Operating System that you have to pay for (read: commercial
Unices, Windows, MacOS etc.) you need to buy a copy or a license
to install that OS on EVERY MACHINE YOU WANT TO INSTALL IT ON.

AmigaOS is no different. You want a network with 8 machines running
OS3.5? Then you buy 8 copies. Maybe Haage & Partner would do you a
deal for it.

It does not defeat the object of a network at all, unless you
think that networking magically negates licensing agreements..

Neko

Hi Ben,

>> >> Yes you are and I've decided that banning is too good for the likes of
> >> you lot. All breaches of afb rules will be punishable by death.

<snip ugly death of poor Tudor>

> 
> And let this be a lesson to the rest of you. There will be no more postings
> from a person called Tudor Davies on this list, any that appear will now be
> created by a robot simulacrum of the sinner.
> 
> Be pure, be vigilant behave!

Hey Ben do those rules include the ones about changing subject
headings to match the posting then ?  and why is Evil Rich grinning
behind your back like that ? ;-)

Carl
Accy, Lancs.

Hi Everybody,

> It sounds crazy, but I have not installed OS3.5 on my personal system.
> The reason? I am bloody scared I have to spend hours to fix my sys:
> partition to get everything as it is now.
> With all the patches I have installed + Magellan II (running as WB) I f=
eel annoyed by the idea to spend many hours of work to install and update=
 my system.
> Although Ben has advised everyone to create a new sys: partition to
> install the OS from scratch, I was wondering if there is anybody out th=
ere (with
> a long list of patches + Magellan II on the sys:) who has managed to in=
stall it on top of the previous OS without the hassle of long working hou=
rs to fix the system.

   Well, unless you have a small harddrive, simply copy your SYS: partiti=
on to a safe place (a diferent partition) and then install OS3.5  =


   If it fails, copy it back ;)

See ya :)
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Hello Ben

On 17-Nov-99, you wrote:

>BV Bugger

You don't happen to drive a Toyota Pick-up by any chance do you Ben?



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> >you'll ahve to have the CC_RESET fix done to the Amiga for successful
> >usage. Eyetech do this for 30 ukp (which seems steep for a 2 minute
> >job!) , but i'm sure the fix is actually posted in a public place
> >somewhere

Yup it`s included in the cnet driver archive on aminet (btw.. I havent
done it myself, but the only prob I have is that I have to insert the
card after a cold boot to get it recognised, other than that..no probs)

Hey Andrew

On 17-nov-99, you wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
> 
[snip]
> 
>   Well, unless you have a small harddrive, simply copy your SYS: partition
> to a safe place (a diferent partition) and then install OS3.5
> 
>   If it fails, copy it back ;)

And you'll be doing that an awfull lot :o( . Before attempting to install the
new system make sure you first visit the amiga homepage. Not that that does
prevent errors from occuring but it does make an important difference.

> 
> See ya :)
Regards
-- 
Bert Volders

http://www.volders.demon.nl
^^^^^Don't go there, its not finished yet...
bert@volders.demon.nl
amiga_3k@yahoo.com
ICQ_Nick: Speedy
ICQ_UIN: 38809545

Ah, I think I see the problem. Too many Darrens in the thread. I am
darren@kewley and it was the other darren who replied to me. But your
point is taken.

Cheers,
Darren K. ;-)


> 
>     You had set a CC to Darren <darren@kewley.demon.co.uk>   there are some
> people who crosspost to multiple Amiga lists, it's a pita and one of the
> don't do rules of this list.  YAM stuck a requester up when I hit the reply
> button for your mail.
> 
>     It's not as annoying as Ben's clock, I keep reading his answer before
> the question, ;-)
> 
> Cheers
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------
> Jon Barker                         ICQ:20786000
> -----------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> AFB: All polls MUST have dates!
> 
> 
> eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/afb
> http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Darren

email : darren@kewley.demon.co.uk
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Isn't it nice having a computer that only needs booting once per day !

Hello.

I bought a new hard drive today (a Seagate if anyone is doing a poll on new
purchases ;) and took the chance to finally install OS3.5!

Although SetPatch is run without any option other than QUIET, if I run
SetPatch again it says (at the end of stuff patched) "No ROM updates have
been installed by SetPatch."  Does this mean that there are files missing
from my installation?  I answered yes to the "Do you have a 4 way adaptor"
question because, in my A4000, I have a splitter (it's not buffered as the
A4000 IDE interface already is).  Could this be the reason?

So I have to run IDEFix to be able to access my CD drive and second IDE
hard drive.  Am I missing out on anything with SetPatch not doing any ROM
patches?

Can someone, anyone, please help me?  Help me a f b, you're my only hope.

Cheers,

Kev


-- 
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> > Hmmmm, a PCMCIA adapter card and a 10/100 Enet card plugged into it -
>
> Oooh, a nice PCMCIA ethernet card.  I've been looking for an ethernet
> card.  Any more details (in fact, any more suggestions on how I can
> cheaply add an ethernet card to my A1200)?  Everything I've seen so far
> looks pretty expensive.

Power Computing do one now, I spotted it on their website
(http://www.powerc.com) the other day, I believe Eyetech have them too and
offer the A1200 PCMCIA reset fix too. I'm quite tempted myself but OS3.5 is
top of my shopping list at the moment, just as soon as I recover from my
sons birthday being so close to Christmas :)

Hope that's some help.
See ya later,
Oll
thAOUGht On-Line User Group Member
thOAUGht meet in #AmigaZone on DalNet IRC.
Visit http://www.amigazone.org.uk for more info on #AmigaZone and thAOUGht.

Hi

> >> > Actually I have deleted the 2(?) manage mails received - am I in
breach
> >> > of AFB rules...
> >> Yes you are and I've decided that banning is too good for the likes of
> >> you lot. All breaches of afb rules will be punishable by death.
>
> > Only by death? Is that the best you can come up with? I laugh in the
face
> > of death, and giggle in the face of fear, and.. what's that noise?
>
> > <SILENCE>
>
> And let this be a lesson to the rest of you. There will be no more
postings
> from a person called Tudor Davies on this list, any that appear will now
be
> created by a robot simulacrum of the sinner.
>
> Be pure, be vigilant behave!
> --
> Ben Vost

"But most importantly kids, don`t forget to do your homework"...sorry,
that`s don`t forget to keep to subject header live ;-)

OK, so who do I trust?  The few who say PPC sales of ~10,000 or Ben`s
5-6,000?  Sorry guys, but with an AF circulation of around 13,500, much as I
would hope, I really can`t imagine 10,000 PPC sales.  Maybe I`m being too
generous towards AF, afterall there`s still the German market, the people
who never buy the mags cos they get it all from the net,....

Jon

Hi Alan

> > I`ll certainly be buying Wipeout, but not until I have the hardware to
run
> > it.  I can`t really see the point of buying a PPC board with the G4s so
> > close to being released as I want a GFX card too, and more RAM and I
can`t
> > afford it all twice.  I hope they wait until a while after the G4s are
> > released before deciding whether Wipeout was a success, cos there must
be
> > few others waiting like me.
>
> you sort of answered it in this paragraph..it'll take about a year (and
> certainly a figure of sales after G3/G4 cards and gfx boards are
> released) until WO2097 can be seen as successful or not. For the OS,
> however, they cant hang around for a year waiting for sales as they want
> to develop it over that year
>
> alan

I`m 100% with you there, which is why OS3.5 is installed on my Amiga, indeed
which is why it was installed before AF had reviewed it, which is something
they *always* say to wait for.  The  OS upgrade that requires new ROMs is
really important, and the sooner we get there the better.  I really hope
that WO2097 success/failure is not decided prematurely.  I could save a lot
of money and buy a console instead.  I don`t use my Amiga for pure gaming,
but if I spend more than a months salary on it, I do want to play some
decent games.

Jon

Hi Chris

>> I`ll certainly be buying Wipeout, but not until I have the hardware to
run
>> it.  I can`t really see the point of buying a PPC board with the G4s so
>> close to being released as I want a GFX card too, and more RAM and I
can`t
>> afford it all twice.  I hope they wait until a while after the G4s are
>> released before deciding whether Wipeout was a success, cos there must be
>> few others waiting like me.

>You've gotta buy WO2097 now.....think of it has a investment for future
>software for when you buy the G4/GFX card combo.  Make "Power Software" a
>success now and you're guaranteeing "Power Software" in the future.

>Regards
>chris

Great in principle, Chris, but does that mean I need to preorder Heretic 2,
Shogo,.... now too?  I really can`t jusitfy spending all that money on games
that for whatever reason I may never get to play.... G4 boards delayed due
to POP boards delayed due to....

You do have a point however, so I`ll have a peep at my overdraft ;-)

Jon

Hi Alan, on 17-Nov-99, at 12:39:21, you wrote:

<snip>

>> Why the hell is WB3.5 called OS3.5 in the first place?
>> If we had *new* v3.5 ROMs, then I would agree with the
>> name.

> its not called WB3.5, its called OS3.5  We do have a
> 3.5 version of the OS, it just uses a few OS3.1 parts
> still, other bits of ROM code are updated.

<snip>

I think we should stick to Commodore's terminology:

A bit simplified one could say that most components of
Amiga OS _Release_ 3.1 have a _version_ number starting
with 40, OS release 3.0 - version 39, etc.

Some OS releases - like 2.1 and 3.5 - have no new
Kickstart ROM.  OS release 3.5 is special though, because
it replaces (in memory) several of the components of the
Kickstart ROM with new versions.

In the old Commodore days they would have made a new
Kickstart ROM for sure.  But today most of the remaining
users have faster machines with more memory, so a new ROM
is not necessary.

It was a good move to "force" people to upgrade to
release 3.1 Kickstart ROMs, though, as this will now be
the common minimum spec.  It is futile trying to help
other users with their problems, if they are not willing
to upgrade from OS release 3.0 to a less buggy OS.  Some
people spend hundreds of pounds on new hardware, but are
not willing to pay a small fraction of that for a new OS.

Yes, Mash, I am thinking about people like you.
Sefton Park Palm House is probably where you belong ;)


Armin

I have a ppc for sale if any one is interested in bying one.
E-mail for details and price.

> > > While the AmiJOE G3 will be more like a current accelerator 
> > 
> > The phase5 and Met@box accelerators are essentially identical, it's
> > just phase5's will be running Neutrino out-of-the-box and Met@box's
> > .. well we don't know what it'll be running, but probably the H&P
> > emulator with WarpOS on top.
> 
> I doubt they'll be identical. I know the Met@box card is designed by
> Dave Haynie

Is it?

> and that Ex-P5 type (Carda or something), and I don't think they have
> anything to do with P5.

Apart from the guy who designed the original PowerUP cards :)

> The two boards will probably be identical in the same meaning as the
> Apollo 060 cards are identical to the Blizzard 060 cards: they serve
> the same purpose.

Isn't that what I said? Essentially identical.

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> I bought a new hard drive today (a Seagate if anyone is doing 
> a poll on new purchases ;) and took the chance to finally
> install OS3.5!
> 
> Although SetPatch is run without any option other than QUIET, if I run
> SetPatch again it says (at the end of stuff patched) "No ROM updates
> have been installed by SetPatch."  Does this mean that there are files
> missing from my installation?

No, it means you're running SetPatch twice and it doesn't need to
update the updates it's already installed ;)

> I answered yes to the "Do you have a 4  way adaptor" question because,
> in my A4000, I have a splitter (it's not buffered as the A4000 IDE
> interface already is).  Could this be the reason?

Take a peek in DEVS: for a file called "AmigaOS ROM Update". If it's
not there, try copying the file from the CD there. If your Amiga stops
booting, boot with no startup-sequence and delete it.

> So I have to run IDEFix to be able to access my CD drive and 
> second IDE hard drive.  Am I missing out on anything with
> SetPatch not  doing any ROM patches?

SetPatch and OS3.5 are not a replacement for IDEfix.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Hi Alan, on 17-Nov-99, at 12:39:21, you wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > > Why the hell is WB3.5 called OS3.5 in the first place?
> > > If we had *new* v3.5 ROMs, then I would agree with the
> > > name.
> 
> > its not called WB3.5, its called OS3.5  We do have a
> > 3.5 version of the OS, it just uses a few OS3.1 parts
> > still, other bits of ROM code are updated.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> I think we should stick to Commodore's terminology:
> 
> A bit simplified one could say that most components of
> Amiga OS _Release_ 3.1 have a _version_ number starting
> with 40, OS release 3.0 - version 39, etc.

AmigaOS Release 3.5
Workbench v44

Get it?

It's *NOT* Workbench 3.5!

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Matt wrote:
> 
> It does not defeat the object of a network at all, unless you
> think that networking magically negates licensing agreements..
> 
Maybe ppl with multiple Amigas should ask for a network licence, or
something. ie you pay twice as much and your allowed to install upto 4
amigas, or 3 times as much for 9... or some similar pricing policy.
All you'd have to do is send a check and you'd recieve a little peice of
paper saying you can install it on so many amigas without being branded
a pirate with a big hot metal bar, nya ha haaa!

Ahem.

-curry

-- 
Mail me a kipper, I'll be spoked for breakfast.

> Matt wrote:
> > 
> > It does not defeat the object of a network at all, unless you
> > think that networking magically negates licensing agreements..
> 
> Maybe ppl with multiple Amigas should ask for a network licence, or
> something. ie you pay twice as much and your allowed to install upto 4
> amigas, or 3 times as much for 9... or some similar pricing policy.

Good idea..

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > I bought a new hard drive today (a Seagate if anyone is doing 
> > a poll on new purchases ;) and took the chance to finally
> > install OS3.5!
> > 
> > Although SetPatch is run without any option other than QUIET, if I run
> > SetPatch again it says (at the end of stuff patched) "No ROM updates
> > have been installed by SetPatch."  Does this mean that there are files
> > missing from my installation?
> 
> No, it means you're running SetPatch twice and it doesn't need to
> update the updates it's already installed ;)

Bzzzzt!  Wrong answer!  ;)

> > I answered yes to the "Do you have a 4  way adaptor" question because,
> > in my A4000, I have a splitter (it's not buffered as the A4000 IDE
> > interface already is).  Could this be the reason?
> 
> Take a peek in DEVS: for a file called "AmigaOS ROM Update". If it's
> not there, try copying the file from the CD there. If your Amiga stops
> booting, boot with no startup-sequence and delete it.

It wasn't there.  I tried copying it across from the CD and it stopped
my computer from booting.  I ran SetPatch from a boot with no startup and
it reported that it had patched the ROM with new scsi device and filesystem.
However it was causing conflicts so I deleted the ROM file.
 
> > So I have to run IDEFix to be able to access my CD drive and 
> > second IDE hard drive.  Am I missing out on anything with
> > SetPatch not  doing any ROM patches?
> 
> SetPatch and OS3.5 are not a replacement for IDEfix.

I understand that but I wanted the new filesystem and scsi.device - can't I
have these if I'm running a 4-way adaptor, or do I need to faff a bit more?

Cheers,

Kev



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Hi Carl,

> Hey Ben do those rules include the ones about changing subject
> headings to match the posting then ?  and why is Evil Rich grinning
> behind your back like that ? ;-)

Hey Col, why are you standing facing the corner like that? Josh? JOSH?!
Aaaararrrrrggghhhhh....










beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*...

> > In case no one has noticed, which I doubt, take a look at
Transmeta's
> > web site - http://www.tranmeta.com
> > 
> > Also take a look at the source for the secret message... ;)
> 
> :-)
> 
> i was actually going to mention this yesterday when it was
> announced..especially after all the 'AmigaMMC will use Transmeta'
> hoo haa that was going on.
> 
> however, apart from the 'secret message', there isnt really anything
new
> about the Crusoe chip...we'll have to wait until January
> 
> alan
>

If you are interested, there is a (very) small article about 'Crusoe' on
CNet at:

http://news.cnet.com/news//0-1003-200-1452099.html?tag=st

It doesn't say a lot but does talk about Linus Torvalds speech at
Comdex and
does mention a possible release date

Si

_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Neil Bothwick <neil@wire.net.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Thursday, 18-Nov-99, 02:55:19
 About:  [afb] Re: webmap 


Hello Neil,

>>> The latter is the fault of the browsers. They should display the ALT
>>> text when the image isn't loaded. A blind user should be OK because
>>> a speaking browser ought to handle the ALT text. If there's no ALT
>>> text it's the fault of the page author, and just as limiting as
>>> individual images without such text.
 
>> Ah, but the alt text only mentions the one image, not all the links
>> you could follow from different parts of the image. And that's only
>> if they bother to do this.
 
> Check the HTML spec, ALT is a valid, and required, attribute of the
> AREA tag.

I know that.  What I said was that authors rarely put in useful
information there, if they actually bother to at all.  And for image
maps you're highly likely to only see one alt text (for the image
shown), not changing alt text for each link that can be picked from
within it.

Completely bastardised example, but

image URI.....  alt text (probably blank, or just saying picture)
hotpoint URI    no alt text, no useful name
hotpoint URI    no alt text, no useful name
hotpoint URI    no alt text, no useful name
etc...

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> n is defined before main() along with all my other global temporary
> miscellaneous-named variables ;)

yes, but did n==argc, if not, then when you start asking for argv[n]'s
you might get all sorts of things.
   
alan

On 17 Nov 1999, Andy Mills wrote:

> Or he could get the PowerLAN from Power Computing for =A350, which
> includes a fix for the CC_RESET problem. This soloution would be cheaper
> than buying a PCMCIA ethernet card (~=A325) and having the mod done to hi=
s
> mobo (saving him time, hassle and the carriage to send it to Eyetech.)

PowerLAN...soemthing i'm not aware of..must ...find...out..more.... ;-)

alan

> Hi Everybody,
>> My son has an Amiga 1200 with 6MB ram and a 63MB hard drive. He
>> accidently clicked on a program 3 times and moved it to one side. The
>> computer then crashed and when he rebooted he got 2 system requests:
>> "Error validating Hardrive Block 62575 used twice" and "Intuition is
>> attempting to reset workbench screen, please close all windows, except
>> drawers". He also notes that  he now has 0 Meg free on the hard drive,
>> whereas before he had 18 Meg, and that any attempt to save or delete
>> produces the message "Volume Hardrive is not validated" and his only
>> option is to cancel.

> All you have to do is download Disksalv off aminet, and run it on the hard
> drive with the 'Validate' Option.

Usually the best option is to boot with no startup-sequence and wait until
it validates the drive. I assume that you have your harddrive in two
partitions, one for system and the other for work or whatever. If you do
then you will be able to download DiskSalv. Otherwise look on any of the AF
CD's in _ *_+System+/Tools/Disk_Tools/DiskSalv2* directory and run this on
validate. (That's if you have a CDROM)

Cheers

Darren

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> I use the 'n' variable throughout my code, and rather than keep
> defining it, and doing silly things with curly brackets, I
> just define it at the top (int n;) along with loads of other
> silly temporary variables which I can trash.

ummm, thats fair enough...but can easily cause hell if you arent REALLY
careful.. say you use n somewhere, and then a little further on you use
it in a loop eg (n=0;n<100;n++)..next time you go back to use n, it'll
be sitting at 100..that could blow up another part of code

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> I know when it can cause trouble, but I only use n for counting,
> storing variables while I mess with them and stuff like that. I
> also have a string called 'spare' which I mess around with..

not 'buffer'? :-)
 
> They never EVER get used for anything important.

oh! poor variables! how could you be so cruel? ;-)

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 peter.bysouth@clarks.com wrote:

> My son has an Amiga 1200 with 6MB ram and a 63MB hard drive. He
> accidently clicked on a program 3 times and moved it to one side. The
> computer then crashed and when he rebooted he got 2 system requests:
> "Error validating Hardrive Block 62575 used twice" and "Intuition is
> attempting to reset workbench screen, please close all windows, except
> drawers". He also notes that  he now has 0 Meg free on the hard drive,
> whereas before he had 18 Meg, and that any attempt to save or delete
> produces the message "Volume Hardrive is not validated" and his only
> option is to cancel.
> 
> Can anyone explain in simple terms what he has done and how he can
> correct it? 

sure. the drive has become invalidated. You have to wait for AmigaDOS to
validate the drive...which may take some time. During its 'invalid'
state, it will be classed as 100% full (so no programs can mess with the
drive contents during the validation).

as for the other message...if a window/message that cant be
hidden/refreshed pops up before Workbench has fully opened
then you will get that requester. 

If the drive CANNOT be validated by AmigaDOS (real hard error) then
you'll have to use a tool to do the job. Amiga Format often has such
tools on its coverCD/disk

alan

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Any news on the wheel support for my powerc thingummygig?

according to latest PowerC ad's its out

alan

On 16 Nov 1999, Phil Ellis wrote:

> About =A360

50 with ROMs

alan

> > Ok, got a small problem. Bought a new HD to go with OS3.5, a 6.4gig
> > beauty. Prob is, OS3.5 is having trouble formatting any partitions
> 
> Define 'trouble'

Well, I got FFS 45.1 formatting all the partitions last night np,
tested trasnfer and all files were ok in copying/deleting, so decided
to add PFS/2 and the problem occoured again where it either gives up
the ghost after say 30% formatting, or just refuses to format complete.
As you said, PFS/2 does not support NSD and it fails on the patitions
that are over the 4gb barrier. So it seems back to old FFS 45.1 then
for now...

- Jace.

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Vincenzo Morra wrote:

> It sounds crazy, but I have not installed OS3.5 on my personal system.
> The reason? I am bloody scared I have to spend hours to fix my sys:
> partition to get everything as it is now.
> With all the patches I have installed + Magellan II (running as WB) I feel annoyed by the idea to spend many hours of work to install and update my system.
> Although Ben has advised everyone to create a new sys: partition to
> install the OS from scratch, I was wondering if there is anybody out there (with

hi! I copied my sys: partition to a drawer on another partition (sys:
being only 100Mb in size, t'other partition being 700Mb, no problem).

then I just installed os3.5 pre-install..and os3.5 final install
directly ontop of my live sys:

in my view, this is the only real way to get directly back to what you
were running....in fact, its worked fine. only last night did i find
that i was still running the newicons patch..didnt cause any problems
and its now out of my s:user-startup. 

I then edited my s:startup-sequence...putting back in all the things
that were taken out...and didnt cause problems (read the os3.5 FAQ on
the Amiga site!). 

then I patched DOpus-magellan2 with the latest update. then i copied
dopus5:c/loadwb into the c: drawer (after moving c:loadwb to
c:loadwb_os35 )

it all works fine.


alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Thomas Braby wrote:

> I think this poll is somewhat silly becasue not enough makes are
> mentioned. There are huge numbers of people with 'Other' because makes
> such as Seagate and Western Digital are not mentioned.

well, we'll see with the results... if 10 people say Fujitsu and 10
people say 'other' then that means that a far higher percentage use
fujitsu than all of the other makes. at least it had a date ;-)

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Jonathan M. Dudley wrote:

> I tried the "SkipROMModules" thing to no effect then, out of desperation, I
> tried renaming AmigaOSROMUpdate in Devs and it works. I'd obviously become
> hung up on the 060 library thing but suddenly thought; "What if it's not
> that?". Lucky I did really, or I'd still be battling with it come Christmas.
> 
> Anyhow, thanks to Alan and Ben for sparing me some brain cycles on this.  :)

..and your machine is?  I actually had to copy the AmigaOSROMUpdate from
CD into my devs: drawer! 

anyway,p glad to hear that you're up and running now

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Matt wrote:

> On ANY Operating System that you have to pay for (read: commercial
> Unices, Windows, MacOS etc.) you need to buy a copy or a license
> to install that OS on EVERY MACHINE YOU WANT TO INSTALL IT ON.
> 
> AmigaOS is no different. You want a network with 8 machines running
> OS3.5? Then you buy 8 copies. Maybe Haage & Partner would do you a
> deal for it.

correct..but i dont see any information on AmigaOS3.5 multiple compure
liscences :-(

alan

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 wookie@globalnet.co.uk wrote:

> Yup it`s included in the cnet driver archive on aminet (btw.. I havent
> done it myself, but the only prob I have is that I have to insert the
> card after a cold boot to get it recognised, other than that..no probs)

;-) thats what the CC_RESET fixes

alan

On 17 Nov 1999, Kevin Fairhurst wrote:

> Although SetPatch is run without any option other than QUIET, if I run
> SetPatch again it says (at the end of stuff patched) "No ROM updates have
> been installed by SetPatch."  Does this mean that there are files missing
> from my installation?  I answered yes to the "Do you have a 4 way adaptor"
> question because, in my A4000, I have a splitter (it's not buffered as the
> A4000 IDE interface already is).  Could this be the reason?

if you said 'yes' to the 4-way question (as i did) then the system will
NOT have copied the AmigaROMUpdates file from the CD. copy this manually
to your devs: drawer.

if the machine now freezes/crashes, then edit the s:startup-sequence to
that mentioned on www.amiga.com

setpatch skipromupdates "scsi.device"
 
> So I have to run IDEFix to be able to access my CD drive and second IDE
> hard drive.  Am I missing out on anything with SetPatch not doing any ROM
> patches?

yes...a few little things (better HD/CD control for a start
 
alan

hi,

> It wasn't there.  I tried copying it across from the CD and it stopped
> my computer from booting.  I ran SetPatch from a boot with no startup and
> it reported that it had patched the ROM with new scsi device and filesystem.
> However it was causing conflicts so I deleted the ROM file.

it will conflict with IDEFix for >2 devices on IDE buffer device...so
add the " skipromupdates 'scsi.device' " to setpatch line
  
> > SetPatch and OS3.5 are not a replacement for IDEfix.
> 
> I understand that but I wanted the new filesystem and scsi.device - can't I
> have these if I'm running a 4-way adaptor, or do I need to faff a bit more?

there'll be a better fix of IDEFix out soon

alan

On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, Jonathan Day wrote:

> Great in principle, Chris, but does that mean I need to preorder Heretic 2,
> Shogo,.... now too?  I really can`t jusitfy spending all that money on games
> that for whatever reason I may never get to play.... G4 boards delayed due
> to POP boards delayed due to....
> 
> You do have a point however, so I`ll have a peep at my overdraft ;-)

if you dont have a 3D card (and PPC card) then unless you really like to
buy boxed software to look at, dont. it'd be like buying DVD movies when
you dont have a player, Dreamcast ganmes, when you dont have a
dreamcast.

if you DO have a 3D card and PPC card, then you really should look at
getting these games. 

as for the cards, G4 cards wouldnt be delayed due to POP MB's being
delayed ;-)

alan

On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Hey Col, why are you standing facing the corner like that? Josh? JOSH?!
> Aaaararrrrrggghhhhh....

oh dear. no more AF I guess... 8^|

alan

> if you dont have a 3D card (and PPC card) then unless you really like
to
> buy boxed software to look at, dont.

If only someone had said that to me a couple of months ago... (sigh).

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On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> If only someone had said that to me a couple of months ago... (sigh).

its difficult i agree, especially as you are awaiting a 3D card still..i
just dont understand why Phase5 didnt make another batch of BVision
while their production line was set up for it

alan

Hi M.,

On 17-Nov-99 you wrote: [afb] Re: Programming in C

> I use the 'n' variable throughout my code, and rather than keep
> defining it, and doing silly things with curly brackets, I
> just define it at the top (int n;) along with loads of other
> silly temporary variables which I can trash.

It might be a good idea to use more local variables, a good compiler will=
 be able place them into the CPU registers, if there's any free, making y=
our code faster.

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> Hi M.,
> 
> On 17-Nov-99 you wrote: [afb] Re: Programming in C
> 
> > I use the 'n' variable throughout my code, and rather than keep
> > defining it, and doing silly things with curly brackets, I
> > just define it at the top (int n;) along with loads of other
> > silly temporary variables which I can trash.
> 
> It might be a good idea to use more local variables, a good 
> compiler will be able place them into the CPU registers, if 
> there's any free, making your code faster.

Hey, quit lecturing me on how to code!

I know what I'm doing. Hey, let me SHOW you so you can all
just frickin' shut up about it?

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <string.h>

#define CORNERTL 201
#define CORNERTR 187
#define CORNERBL 200
#define CORNERBR 188

#define HORIZBAR 205
#define VERTIBAR 186

int n,xit,left;
unsigned int len, tot=0, oldtot=0;
char *spare;

int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{

	if (argc > 0)
	{
		printf("\x1B[0m\x1B[2J\x1B[0;0H"); /* clear display, cursor
to 0,0 */
		printf("\x1B[1;27;44m");    /* bold, white text, blue back
*/
		printf("%c%c ", CORNERTL, HORIZBAR); /* upper */
		
		for (n=1;n<argc;n++)
		{
			oldtot=tot;
			tot+=strlen(argv[n])+1;
			if (tot<=75) 
			{
				if (!strncmp(argv[n], "#", 1)) /* print
contents of an env var */
				{
					spare = argv[n]+1;
					printf("%s ", getenv(spare));
					tot=oldtot +
strlen(getenv(spare))+1;
				}
				else 
				{
					printf("%s ", argv[n]);
				}
			}
		}
		
		left=75-tot;
		if (left>0) for (n=1;n<left;n++) printf("%c",HORIZBAR);

/* move cursor left %i spaces
			printf("\x1B[%iD");
*/

		printf("%c%c",HORIZBAR, CORNERTR);
		printf("\x1B[0m"); /* reset */
	}

	return(0);
}

Happy? Can you guess what it is, though? :)

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Sealey, M. <mws2@leicester.ac.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Friday, 19-Nov-99, 00:16:49
 About:  [afb] Re: Programming in C 


Hello M.,

> Hey, quit lecturing me on how to code!

Pot calling the kettle black...

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> its difficult i agree, especially as you are awaiting a 3D card
still..i
> just dont understand why Phase5 didnt make another batch of BVision
> while their production line was set up for it

They probably thought "Well, that is all they'll ever need. Any serious
Amiga user will have a Zorro bus anyway." Damn them.

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> > just dont understand why Phase5 didnt make another batch of BVision
> > while their production line was set up for it

I have sent emails to both phase5 and DCE in order to get myself one of
these groovy gfx cards. I urge anyone else out there to aswell. Now I
guess only time will tell...

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On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
> > Hey Col, why are you standing facing the corner like that? Josh? JOSH?!
> > Aaaararrrrrggghhhhh....
> 
> oh dear. no more AF I guess... 8^|

  No no, in a years time, someone will find some draft copies of the mag
in the long forgotten AF office and hype them to buggery to make a hit
magazine! 


bye,
  Chris

I have an idea for a small feature in Amiga Format -
test the new RTG systems.

2.0 is a pretty major release, and 4.2 allegedly
just got a bit cleaner. 

Set up an Amiga with a clean OS3.5, P96 2.0 install
and run some neat graphics apps across it, P96Speed
benchmarks etc.

Reinstall, and repeat with the latest CGX 4.2

Finally we'll see which is the better system and
how, and why!?!

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

> >On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Thomas Cobb wrote:
> 
> >> Oooh, a nice PCMCIA ethernet card.  Any more details (in fact, any
more 
> >> suggestions on how I can
> >> cheaply add an ethernet card to my A1200)?
> > err, yes. PCMCIA ethernet. they've been around for years now. didnt
ya
> > know?

Yes, but the only ones I see advertised are the hydra (130 pounds) or
some other one.  If I remember rightly, the hydra had a special buffer
to make transfers more reliable which added to the cost.
I could use a card with cnet.device but I couldn't find ANY of the
cards listed as supported in the docs (maybe I'm not looking hard
enough)

> >you'll ahve to have the CC_RESET fix done to the Amiga for successful
> >usage.
> This does not effect /all/ A1200s, so he'll only have to have it done
if
> he has problems.

What exactly is the CC_RESET problem?

> Or he could get the PowerLAN from Power Computing for =A350, which
> includes a fix for the CC_RESET problem.

Yes, that might be thae way to go.  Looks like it's not a RJ45
connector though and it doesn't say whether it's 10 or 100 base T (but
it does proudly boast that their highly skilled engineer spent three
weeks of hard work on the software) so I'll phone them.

Thanks for your help

	Thom

Matt S. wrote in an email:

> I have an idea for a small feature in Amiga Format -
> test the new RTG systems.
<snip>
> Finally we'll see which is the better system and
> how, and why!?!
> 

What a *top* suggestion :)

And also what the knockon effects are - ie does the Paloma work under CGX?

I *want* to see this now - the more I think about it, the better and idea it
seems - thanks Matt.

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Hello everyone

> if you said 'yes' to the 4-way question (as i did) then the system will=

> NOT have copied the AmigaROMUpdates file from the CD. copy this manuall=
y
> to your devs: drawer.

Could all of this information be put (with a very noticable 'Important 3.=
5 information' header) in the next AF, please.
I knew nothing about any of this until this thread started, and Im sure t=
here are hundreds of others in the same boat.

> =

> if the machine now freezes/crashes, then edit the s:startup-sequence to=

> that mentioned on www.amiga.com
> =

> setpatch skipromupdates "scsi.device"
> =

(And dont forget to include this info, even though I didnt need it.)

>Am I missing out on anything with SetPatch not doing any ROM
>> patches?
> =

> yes...a few little things (better HD/CD control for a start

Could you tell me (and the magazine readers) what it does exactly - my se=
tpatch report now says =

scsi.device, IDE_scsidisk 43.30;
filesystem, fs 45.1; and
AmigaOS ROM update, romupdate 44.1
in it.  What do all these mean, and what have they improved?

 =

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On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> 2.0 is a pretty major release, and 4.2 allegedly
> just got a bit cleaner. 

CGFX 4.2 isnt out yet. the update released yesterday/day before was just
a quick prerelease to fix some os3.5 related functions
 
> Set up an Amiga with a clean OS3.5, P96 2.0 install
> and run some neat graphics apps across it, P96Speed
> benchmarks etc.
> 
> Reinstall, and repeat with the latest CGX 4.2

LOL. use P96speed to test CGX ? now...wonder if that'll be a bit biased?
:-)


its of no use to use B/CVisionPPC people anyway as P96 doesnt run on our
cards
 
> Finally we'll see which is the better system and
> how, and why!?!

'better system'? Well, P96 uses CGX compatible API's..so there must be
some reason behind that. Also, I believe that the AmigaOS should have
its own RTG system..perhaps in OS3.8..maybe even 4.0?

Theres very little difference between the two (bar some results that
benchmarking provides), I certainly dont see a problem with speed when
i'm running my card in 1280x1024x32 80Hz refresh.

Alan